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New short story
morriswalters:
@g33k
To kill him you must see him before he sees you! Watch out for that 6 year old!
@Arjan
They were adults but Harry lied to them. He lied to his brother, Murphy and others. Not exactly what I expect from my friends. The person he was trying to lie to, Mab, caught him in any case. And even though he a fallen had nudged him that doesn't forgive the lie.
Prior to his fall Harry had been a little out of his mind and his position as stated was that no matter what, no matter who got hurt, no matter what ethical shortcuts he had to take, his daughter was the most important person in the room. And everybody else could burn.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 14, 2019, 09:01:07 PM ---@g33k
To kill him you must see him before he sees you! Watch out for that 6 year old!
@Arjan
They were adults but Harry lied to them. He lied to his brother, Murphy and others. Not exactly what I expect from my friends. The person he was trying to lie to, Mab, caught him in any case. And even though he a fallen had nudged him that doesn't forgive the lie.
Prior to his fall Harry had been a little out of his mind and his position as stated was that no matter what, no matter who got hurt, no matter what ethical shortcuts he had to take, his daughter was the most important person in the room. And everybody else could burn.
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I realize I am going way off topic, but for starters this is way too simplistic. Yes, Harry said all of those things, and in the moment believed them. However this isn't some horrible moral backslide on
Harry's part.. It is a normal human reaction that most parents would have when it comes to saving their kid. Also Harry was made the goat in the war against the Reds, Harry even buys into the idea that he started it.. He didn't, his reaction to what happened to Susan may have been a spark, but cooler heads could have prevailed. 1] Harry didn't train Victor Sells to be a sorcerer, someone else did that or guided him to where those books to learn this stuff could be found. Someone else or thing did that, who knew very well where they were going with this. 2] Harry didn't direct Victor Sells to rip out the heart of a beloved friend of Bianca by remote control... Nor to be fair did Sells without direction from someone else, know the significance of the young woman who's heart was exploded. 3] Harry didn't raise Bianca, most likely known as unstable to begin with to RC royalty, someone else did.. 4] Harry didn't make the unstable Bianca murder her beloved secretary and then swear revenge on Harry because "he made her do it.." 5] If you will remember Harry didn't want to go to the fricking party in the first place suspecting a trap. 6] He didn't steal or forge the invitation or ask Susan to do it.. He warned her explicitly how dangerous vamps were, but she did it anyway and went to that party. 7] Harry did screw up with the Holy Sword trying to kill Lea with it.. However he didn't take it to the party to trade for that infected Knife, Lea did that on her own. 8] At the party it wasn't Harry who tried to sacrifice an innocent with a Holy Sword to unmake it.. 9] Why did Mavera block Harry, Michael, and Susan's exit after the Sword was recovered? When all hell broke lose, should Harry have just sat down and died along with his friends, and more importantly a Holy Sword would then fall back into vamp hands.. 10] Was it Harry who half turned Susan? Oh and let's not forget Nightmare who also had a hand in this or Mavra who chose some take out meals to take along as she went her merry way after the smoke cleared. 11] How did they think Harry would react after his beloved was half turned? Yet it was done anyway, Bianca did get what was coming to her.. While yes, that may have been the spark, the fuel for the fire had long been piled..
On what the Merlin wanted to do and told Harry to do in Changes.. The Merlin was using Harry, he saw it as an opportunity, seeing it as either riding himself of Harry or the Red Court, either way he wins. Last but not least it wasn't Harry who set up that spell that took out the Red Court, he merely reversed it.. It wasn't him or even Susan who was playing a deeper game here, it was Martin.. Giving her the knowledge about Martin may have set Susan off to make the kill him thus setting up the reversal, but it was Martin who was playing her and the Red Court for his own gain.. However it wasn't her that was about to murder her baby, it was the Red King, she willingly sacrificed herself to stop that. Oh we need to back up a step or two yet again, Peabody most likely set up the murder of Simon, who was one of Eb's dear friends, who then took his revenge out by pulling down a satellite killing some important vamps.. Which in turn compelled the Red King to set up his generational spell to take out Eb and his kin... Oh back up another minute, it was Susan who refused to completely cut herself off from little Maggie that led to Red King to her that enabled him to set up the generational spell, that was the beginning of the end for the Red Cout.. Not simple at all.. For all we know it may turn out that it was the Formor who have been behind this from the get go by enabling Victor Sells.
Back to the new short story, there are a heck of a lot more kids than the few Goodman saved. If Marcone really was a champion of exploited kids, he'd set up an army to save all the exploited kids in his territory.. He is not, he may have been trying to send a message, but it wasn't the one he planned on.. And yeah, it is a lot more complicated..
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Dina on October 14, 2019, 08:25:02 PM ---I just wanted to comment that I agree with Arjan´s opinion in this.
About Marcone, I don't necessarily want him to be killed or completely out of power but sometimes is tiring to see him always as powerful and in control. I would like to see him out of his league or metaphorically in the dark about something for a while, preferably with Harry being in a better situation. Let me be clear, Marcone is a great character and I don't want to see him weakened for ever, just in some specific moment. He has the soul of a tiger and that is admirable, but he is still a bad guy and the hero of our story is Harry :P
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We've seen him on the downside a time or two. Fool Moon, he was made a fool of by the hexenwolves. He was kidnapped and tortured in Small Favor. Harry gets the better of him frequently. Grey got the better of him in this story. In Aftermath, we see that he is afraid of Harry. He explicitly says he wouldn't have treated Harry the way he treats Billy and Murphy.
To add to Mira's point, Shiro says that the war was coming no matter what the White Council, or Harry, did. Harry may have saved the White Council by setting the war off earlier than the Reds were prepared for.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 15, 2019, 05:07:37 PM ---We've seen him on the downside a time or two. Fool Moon, he was made a fool of by the hexenwolves. He was kidnapped and tortured in Small Favor. Harry gets the better of him frequently. Grey got the better of him in this story. In Aftermath, we see that he is afraid of Harry. He explicitly says he wouldn't have treated Harry the way he treats Billy and Murphy.
To add to Mira's point, Shiro says that the war was coming no matter what the White Council, or Harry, did. Harry may have saved the White Council by setting the war off earlier than the Reds were prepared for.
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Yup, that and the general belief that the Red Court was the cat's paw of a more powerful group. They were used and set up, object of which being to take out a star born and the White Council with him.
g33k:
Mostly I agree, but this point is rather weak:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 15, 2019, 11:39:34 AM --- ... 4] Harry didn't make the unstable Bianca murder her beloved secretary and then swear revenge on Harry because "he made her do it.."
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He kind of did "make her," at least by the way Vamps judge things.
* He provoked her rage
* He injured her with his "pocket full of sunshine" spell, so she needed blood to heal
* He left her alone with her love-object / food.I realize the Vamp POV here is warped and evil; but by their twisted logic, "it's the wizard's fault" is a valid perspective.
It's one of the things that make the serious power-players so potent, is that they can recognize the internal rules that let them manipulate other powers. Harry does it, somewhat. I presume the Black Council was doing it much moreso, there.
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