The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The Next Knight
Kindler:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 03, 2019, 09:04:20 PM ---The question, "Is the noose what keeps Nic young or is it his fallen?", might be interesting in this context. Also it will be interesting to see if Thomas survives Peace Talks, or or conversely, Justine. JB likes to reuse the same gags over and over. However if anyone in the damn book is owed a sword Murphy is.
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I think there's some redundancy between the two. Coins halt aging for the bearers, and the Noose gives a limited form of immortality (no, he's not an Immortal the way the Queens and some others are. That's Resurrective Immortality anyway, so not the same thing).
123Chikadee:
Hm, yeah out of the three of them, Thomas, Marcone, and Nic, if they're given a moment where they can take the transformative opportunity that leads them to become sword-bearer(s), then Thomas is probably the one.
Hm, I think Murphy's time as a sword-bearer is done. Hope we see more of her thoughts on that.
Who else could work for the swords?
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 03, 2019, 09:03:45 PM ---He did not have two or more years left in him as you put it...
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And in Skin Game while Nic did take off his noose, and offer his coin to Murphy, he never gave it up.
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Two years and eight months passed between Cassius losing his coin and him dying. http://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline. As always, feel free to check my math. That's what I meant by he had more than two years left in him. More than two years from the point he gave up the coin. Let's assume he'd be dead in two years and nine months. Let's go with him being 1,500 years old and Nic being 2,000. If Cassius had about three years, then Nic should have at least one year, probably 22 to 24 months. Furthermore, a lot of Cassius's physical problems were because Dresden beat him viciously.
--- Quote ---Without looking away from Karrin, he dropped the Coin, and it fell to the icy sidewalk without bouncing, as if it had been made from something far heavier than lead. ... He reached up and undid the Noose tied about his throat, and let it fall to the ground beside the Coin.
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Chapter 29.
Mira:
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Without looking away from Karrin, he dropped the Coin, and it fell to the icy sidewalk without bouncing, as if it had been made from something far heavier than lead. ... He reached up and undid the Noose tied about his throat, and let it fall to the ground beside the Coin.
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Doesn't matter, it was a ploy to begin with, he never intended to really surrender it.... Murphy didn't accept the offer so technically he never gave up the coin, physically dropping it isn't enough.. As soon as she tried to kill him the Sword shattered and it picked his coin back up and kicked the snot out of her.
--- Quote ---Two years and eight months passed between Cassius losing his coin and him dying. http://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline. As always, feel free to check my math. That's what I meant by he had more than two years left in him
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Huh??? In any case he was aging at an accelerated rate from the moment he gave up his coin... He went from a guy around forty to closer to eighty in two years..
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 04, 2019, 07:41:20 PM ---Doesn't matter, it was a ploy to begin with, he never intended to really surrender it.
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It shattered because he had given up the coin and surrendered. It doesn't matter if his actions were perfidy.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 04, 2019, 07:41:20 PM ---Murphy didn't accept the offer so technically he never gave up the coin, physically dropping it isn't enough.
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What's that got to do with whether or not he gave up the coin? No one accepted Sanya's surrender of his coin, but that didn't negate him giving it up.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 04, 2019, 07:41:20 PM ---Huh??? In any case he was aging at an accelerated rate from the moment he gave up his coin... He went from a guy around forty to closer to eighty in two years..
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Death Masks to Dead Beat is two years and eight months. My point has never been that there won't be accelerated aging. My point has been that Nic will not turn to dust and will have time to operate as a Knight of the Cross for enough time to be relevant in the books.
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