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Mab's Limits
Bad Alias:
Atropos and Skuld are names, Harry only guessed a name. It'd be conclusive if she had said "But you've only guessed the names of one of her masks." As it says the name, I don't see how you're reading it as "names." As I see it, the only way she is both is if Jim made a grammatical mistake/typo.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on September 16, 2019, 05:20:30 PM ---For example, the entity behind the "worshipers" in the molly short story has nothing to do with the Outsiders, but was still a threat to Winter's interests. Even though the Outsiders are clearly making a move, Mab cannot afford to ignore the other threats just in case they are acting while Mab is distracted.
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Not exactly. The sleeping Old Ones are the lovecraftian dark gods. The Outsiders are their exiled servants and soldiers. Their goal for breaching reality is to get in and reunite with their masters to wake them up.
So knocking down Old One cults is actually just as fundamental to Winter's war as holding the Gates.
Regenbogen:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 21, 2019, 12:27:50 PM ---
Not exactly. The sleeping Old Ones are the lovecraftian dark gods. The Outsiders are their exiled servants and soldiers. Their goal for breaching reality is to get in and reunite with their masters to wake them up.
So knocking down Old One cults is actually just as fundamental to Winter's war as holding the Gates.
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Agreed. Because...
'That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.' (H.P. Lovecraft)
Yuillegan:
Avernite - I think you are essentially correct. I believe a coalition of gods from many pantheons got together and used the Stone Table to transfer a LOT of power into the Sidhe. But not so sure it was murder, rather I think it was sacrifice. I think it was done not to detriment the gods, but to help them. WOJ is that the Sidhe were given power by agents who thought their influence in the mortal world was waning.
Bad Alias - I think the Gaia theory is more likely here. I think that because of all the different gods and goddesses pouring in their power, that is how they became what they are. But I think they were always important in the various pantheons (Moirae in Greek, Norns in Norse, Devi/Kali/Parvati etc) and then gained additional significance and power.
dspringer1:
What everyone always seems to forget is the sheer Power of things like Uriel. He is so strong he doesn't do contested violence, he has terminated galaxies and even whole universes (WOJ). Mother Summer and Winter are at the same level, and so apparently are the Walkers (HWWBh and HWWBf).
Nothing in the book that I have seen says that Urial and Mother Winter are at the same level. What makes you believe they are equivalent?
But they are all limited because of their extreme might, and so can only use that incredible power in very specific ways at very specific times.
I would argue that "estimating how limited a godlike being is" would be the only way to measure the power of a godlike being. A more limited being is a more powerful being. Uriel is incredibly limited, while Mother Winter is so mysterious that it is hard to tell. Hades is very limited, although it is unclear how much of that is choice vs hard limits. Ambiguity on power level seems a feature of the dresden universe.
There are SO MANY gods. Thousands, possibly more depending on the limits Jim has set. There are only two Mothers, three Walkers and five Archangels. That tells you something right there.
Not sure this makes sense to me. There are thousands of gods, but there is only one Odin and only one Hades. So not really sure why your counts communicate anything about power.
Also do not forget that there is a multiverse. There might be thousands of gods, but only a relative handful are active or engaged in any way with the Dresden world's universe. And it is not clear at all (until Mirror Mirror) whether Mab/Mother Winter exists in more than one multiverse. These other universes might have different guardians at the outer gates. It might even be possible that in some worlds the outer gates have fallen where in others they stand. So I can totally see thousands of gods of roughly equal power across the multiverse, with most of those simply not active or so limited in their access to the Dresden universe that they have effectively no power in that universe.
What is clear enough, is that Hades is not at the same level as the Mothers, and therefore cannot be as great in power as all SIX Queens combined. That would be insane. He would then be stronger than two Archangels combined plus extra. It isn't impossible I suppose, but considering everything we know about Power in the series and the various beings, it just doesn't add up.
It is not clear to me how you are determining Hades is at the same level as the mothers. The speculation that Hades is comparable to Hecate is based purely on mythology. But neither mythology or anything that occurred in the books would give any insight as to the relative power of Hades vs the Mothers. Can you please identify why you feel the two are equivalent?
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