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What Role was Molly being prepared for?
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 17, 2019, 06:12:04 PM ---Mab says it was murder, a mantle has gone missing and the fingers are pointed at her... The balance of power is in danger so there are consequences...
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I know what happened. I'm asking if your saying "[Murder of the Summer Knight by the Winter Knight] alone would have serious repercussion for Mab," or "[Theft of the Summer Knight Mantle] alone would have serious repercussion for Mab." To the first I say show me some evidence of that. To the second I say that's my point.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 17, 2019, 07:36:35 PM ---I know what happened. I'm asking if your saying "[Murder of the Summer Knight by the Winter Knight] alone would have serious repercussion for Mab," or "[Theft of the Summer Knight Mantle] alone would have serious repercussion for Mab." To the first I say show me some evidence of that. To the second I say that's my point.
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As I said, Mab is vague about it, however she does say, page 32 Summer Knight paperback
--- Quote ---"And why should you care?" I asked. "It isn't like the cops are after you."
"There are powers of judgement other than mortal law. It is enough for you to know that I wish to see justice done," she said. "Simply that."[/quote
Safe to say if the finger is pointed at her and her innocence cannot be proved, the "powers of judgement" would come down on her head... What ever that is, which apparently is for her not Harry at that point to know. So short term consequences, war, long term subjection to the powers of judgement...
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Avernite:
Note Mab doesn't actually say those powers of judgement care about this case. She's making Harry care in a way he understands, even though Mab cares far more about imbalance in the scales.
Although I do think subsequent events somewhat undermine the plot point; after Summer Knight Winter is for long stretches of time short on a Knight, Lady, and second-in-command... and only the weakness at the Lady is somewhat mirrored in Summer. And yet, disaster doesn't strike VERY hard (sure, the White Court snipes a bit at the edges and Nic thinks he can flaunt the accords, but overall it's kind of meh).
Bad Alias:
@Avernite: The difference is that the powers governing Winter and Summer didn't know why there was an imbalance in Summer Knight.
@Mira: My position is that Winter killing Summer and vice versa isn't cause for a "Chicago over Chicago" conflict. Summer and Winter are constantly in conflict. I don't think one bumping off the other's agents is going to cause any escalation unless that results in a significant imbalance. Imbalance, not killing, is the cause of escalation. I still don't know what your position is.
Mab wants to see justice because she didn't do it. If you read it carefully, she doesn't say that justice is her goal. Justice would just align with her interests this time. She needs whoever did it to be taken care of because they either work for her but have gone rogue, or they are her enemy anyway. It would be something different if Mab had said "There are powers of judgement other than mortal law therefore I wish to see justice done" or "There are powers of judgement other than mortal law therefore I need to be proven innocent, so those powers don't [method of punishment] me." But even if your interpretation is correct, what is Mab worried about being judged for; it certainly isn't murder. She does that sort of thing all the time. It would still be for the theft.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 18, 2019, 08:48:44 PM ---It would be something different if Mab had said "There are powers of judgement other than mortal law therefore I wish to see justice done" or "There are powers of judgement other than mortal law therefore I need to be proven innocent, so those powers don't [method of punishment] me." But even if your interpretation is correct, what is Mab worried about being judged for; it certainly isn't murder. She does that sort of thing all the time. It would still be for the theft.
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There's the question of whether the Mothers knew all along who was behind it, or retaining Harry was Mab's way of poking the anthill to make sure they saw the problem was somewhere else. Despite the limitations on senior queens interfering with juniors' business, they might still have ways to make things tough for one they suspected of involvement. Mab, after all, was perfectly free to kill Maeve over her corruption - the obstacle was her lingering emotional conflict, not Winter Law. And Mother Winter considers Mab "too much of a romantic".
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