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What Role was Molly being prepared for?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on September 13, 2019, 01:01:59 PM ---The replacement oft the Summer Lady was not planned by Mab. She intended Sarissa to replace Maeve. Only Maeve killed Lily first, so that Sarissa became the Summer Lady instead.
Or do you mean that Mab had planned to replace both Ladies? First Maeve by Sarissa and some time after that Lily by Molly? Because Lily wasn't doing so well? Wouldn't this be more Titania's decision?
Can the Winter Knight even be a woman? Has the Lady always to be female?
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Titania was not doing anything and that made the situation worse. Yes I think she was planning to replace Lilly as well.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on September 13, 2019, 06:36:29 PM ---You mean Lily? I remember a discussion not long ago. I'm not sure she really was the Knight. Imho the Mantle might have been temporarily stored in her body. Why didn't they let her remain the Knight? I can't remember exactly how it was.
Instead she became the Lady and Fix became the Knight.
Aurora got killed and than...? That was while Lily was still a statue? Where did the Lady Mantle go to in the meanwhile? The Unraveling turned Lily back. What happened to the Knight's Mantle? Didn't it go back to Mab or Titania? Did it do so, because the Queen(s) wanted it to or because Lily wasn't the right person anyway (i.e. female) and her turning to stone prevented the Mantle from leaving before? So Lily was free to receive the Lady Mantle.
Or did Mab actively call the Knight Mantle to her (or was it to Titania???) because they preferred a more suitable host regardless of the gender?
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I just don't see how Lily could contain the Summer Knight without BEING the Summer Knight; she was human enough and had the mantle, it seems weird to claim she then wasn't the Knight.
And IIRC, the Mantle went from Reuel to Aurora to Lily, as in the Knight reverted to the nearest Summer queen when the Knight died. I think the Knight mantle passed from Lily to Fix by Lily's will, her being the Summer Lady could hold the Mantle and send it out.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on September 13, 2019, 01:01:59 PM ---Can the Winter Knight even be a woman? Has the Lady always to be female?
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I'm pretty sure there's WOJ that the Lady must be female.
Given that Lily was (however briefly while conscious) an acceptable host for the summer knight mantle, it seems safe to assume winter's knight mantle is also at least capable of going to a woman. Though based on the psychological profile Winter seems to prefer, they might have a stronger bias to choosing male knights than summer.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on September 13, 2019, 06:36:29 PM ---You mean Lily? I remember a discussion not long ago. I'm not sure she really was the Knight. Imho the Mantle might have been temporarily stored in her body. Why didn't they let her remain the Knight? I can't remember exactly how it was.
Instead she became the Lady and Fix became the Knight.
Aurora got killed and than...? That was while Lily was still a statue? Where did the Lady Mantle go to in the meanwhile? The Unraveling turned Lily back. What happened to the Knight's Mantle? Didn't it go back to Mab or Titania? Did it do so, because the Queen(s) wanted it to or because Lily wasn't the right person anyway (i.e. female) and her turning to stone prevented the Mantle from leaving before? So Lily was free to receive the Lady Mantle.
Or did Mab actively call the Knight Mantle to her (or was it to Titania???) because they preferred a more suitable host regardless of the gender?
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The Summer Knight died, and the mantle went to Aurora. Aurora made Lily the Summer Knight and turned her to stone. Aurora used the unraveling to turn Lily back in order to kill her. Harry killed Aurora first. The Summer Lady mantle went to Lily. Lily retained the Summer Knight mantle. She then chose Fix as her Knight.
The only part of that that is conjecture is that Lily was the Summer Knight, but until someone convinces me there is a reason to believe the could receive the mantle without either becoming the Summer Knight or already being a Summer Queen, I'm don't see a reason to entertain the idea.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2019, 08:00:44 PM ---Yes, I think there would have been war or other serious repercussions for Mab, that is why she wanted so badly for Harry to clear her of the crime.
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What Mab wanted when the Mantle was missing and therefore there was an imbalance isn't evidence that Winter killing a Summer Knight would have serious repercussions for Mab.
Mira:
--- Quote ---What Mab wanted when the Mantle was missing and therefore there was an imbalance isn't evidence that Winter killing a Summer Knight would have serious repercussions for Mab.
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That alone would have serious repercussion for Mab.. That was the whole point of the murder in the first place.
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