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Mirror Mirror and the dual conflicts

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Yuillegan:
So Jim talked about being inspired by The Frighteners (one of Peter Jackson's earlier films) in the DragonCon Ghosts and Spirits panel. He commented that one thing he loved was the duality, the mirror image of two conflicts happening simultaneously (spiritual and physical) which were connected yet couldn't really touch - but would affect the outcome of the other conflict. I think most of Ghost Story exemplifies this. But I also wonder if the extended multiverse might do that too - for instance, actions in Harry's universe might affect things in other verses, and vice-versa. I also believe what happens in each Nevernever then might also have a similar effect.

So the problem is both horizontal and vertical in layers (if you get the idea). Many levels and many simultaneous issues.

When he goes on to talk about the limits of the Angels and Fallen and why they cannot just tear everything up, it is because they cannot really change themselves. They are elemental, they always are who they are (but in balance) and so it is mortal choices that sort of define that. I think there was a really excellent theory (several perhaps) that basically talked about how each choice moves each universe closer to a pole (light or dark/chaos or order etc) and it was not only on a horizontal axis, but also a vertical axis. There is infact an image in the Dresden Files that really illustrates this type of battle (but on a much more limited scale) - the Battle in Chicago-over-Chicago in Summer Knight. Mab and Titania when they fight are essentially equal (as the bulk of Mab's forces are tied up at the Outer Gates). It is the mortals that help decide the outcome. When Harry views it with his Sight, he sees a great battle field with the energy that each Queen is expending pouring out against each other like a giant grid or game of chess, focused around the Stone Table. In the greater more cosmic analogy - I think Earth is the Stone Table. Just my thoughts.

Bad Alias:
I also thought of how that fit in with Ghost Story when I heard it, but I also thought about how it didn't fit because there was a lot of direct interplay between the physical and spiritual in Ghost Story. I'm not so sure if it applies to Mirror Mirror, but your guess is as good as mine, if not better.

One thing we have heard is that the Archangels are the same throughout the multiverse and so is the Outside. Stated another way, there is only one Uriel and one Outside throughout the multiverse. Therefore it stands to reason that if what happens on one Inside affects the Outside and the Outside affects (or can affect) every Inside, then every universe affects (or at least has the potential to affect) all of the multiverse.

Yuillegan:
Pretty much bang on I think. It is very much an everything is connected game. Which lends weight to the conflict between Heaven and Hell - each individual Choice, each Soul, is incredibly valuable.

I think it is a matter of the degree to which each thing affects the other things. I mean Mirror Mirror couldn't happen if there was no effect at all.

Bad Alias:
If we can rely on Fool Moon, which is suspect, Hell gets something out of having a soul condemned, and it seemed to me that they got more than just a thumb in the eye of TWG. The thumb in the eye is the typical justification I've seen in fiction. Occasionally, souls are a source of power.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 05, 2019, 04:14:16 PM ---One thing we have heard is that the Archangels are the same throughout the multiverse and so is the Outside. Stated another way, there is only one Uriel and one Outside throughout the multiverse. Therefore it stands to reason that if what happens on one Inside affects the Outside and the Outside affects (or can affect) every Inside, then every universe affects (or at least has the potential to affect) all of the multiverse.

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Walkers being multiversal entities might explain Before's Multiple-Man act, and possibly also Before's simultaneous there-but-not-there behaviour.

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