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Candidates for future Nemfection?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on August 23, 2019, 03:42:25 PM ---When was Mab infected?
I think all the events listed by Lily of people acting against their natures is a good place to start, but she was be fed information by Maeve, and those events could have been (and some definitely were) orchestrated by players off screen. It could be the players off screen who were nemfected and not the actors on stage, to slightly mix my metaphors.
I lean towards the idea that mortals can't be nemfected. I think mortal corruption by the forces of Outside is what the black magic taint is. I'm quite willing to admit that these opinions aren't even close to proven.
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Remember in Proven Guilty at Arctus Tor when Harry was talking to Lea? Lea was on ice, but Mab was beside her also on ice.. Now either she was hiding or when she realized what was happening with Lea and her own contact with the Knife she decided an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure.. Or since she did have contact, she wore the Knife for a time, Mab decided best to treat before she started to show symptoms, upon which it might be too late because in her madness she'd think she didn't need to be treated..
kbrizzle:
I’m not a big believer in the Mab is Nfected but fighting it theory, although I am a little puzzled as to why Mab was in the Winter garden during PG. if I were playing devils advocate, perhaps this is why the BC assault on Arctis Tor mysteriously stops in the courtyard before the spire in PG - they were able to Nfect Mab, so they didn’t need to press their attack further. However they don’t know that Mab has a way to defeat Nfection (becoming a Sidhecicle in the Wellspring).
@Mira
I would point out that while Harry refers to Lea as a Sidhecicle, Mab is referred to as an ice statue - so perhaps they weren’t undergoing the same thing. It is also possible that the fight with the BC assault team took a lot out of Mab & she needs to heal - perhaps this is the way the high Winter Sidhe heal?
As a side note, I believe an individual Nemesis vector can jump from host to host but not split itself into 2, thereby Nfecting 2 people. So if Lea were Nfected by the athame, the athame no longer carried an Outsider (unless it had 2 Outsiders hidden inside I suppose).
@Bad Alias
While I agree with you about Nfection being ineffective with mortals, I disagree with the black magic taint being caused by the Outside bit. I believe rather that the taint is what allows practitioners to reach Outside if they so choose.
Here is a side question, do you believe that necromancy is powered/ created by the Outside, or it is a natural force within the DV?
Mira:
--- Quote ---As a side note, I believe an individual Nemesis vector can jump from host to host but not split itself into 2, thereby Nfecting 2 people. So if Lea were Nfected by the athame, the athame no longer carried an Outsider (unless it had 2 Outsiders hidden inside I suppose).
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That depends, if it is one organism yes, but if it is many tiny ones like a virus or bacteria, then it could infect many at once.... Personally I don't see a whole lot of difference between an "icesycle" and an ice statue in this case, both Lea and Mab were encased in ice.. And when you think about it, if the infection organism can think why was Mab immune when she wore the Knife for a time? That makes no sense, plus Maeve was also fatally infected by the Knife after it was passed on to her by Lea I believe... Not clear on the last if it was Mab who gave it to her after she got it from Lea, or Lea who gave it to Maeve who in turn handed it over to Mab.. Who at some point realized the danger it presented, in time to help Lea but too late to help Maeve.
morriswalters:
Lea's words to Harry in Changes provide a clue as to the nature of Nemfections.
--- Quote ---“A madness had beset me,” she whispered. “Robbed me of myself. Treacherous gifts . . .” She shook her head. “I can think on it no more, lest it make me vulnerable once again. Suffice to say that I am much better now.” She stroked a fingertip over an icy white streak in her hair. “The strength of my queen prevailed, and my mind is mine own.”
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I think that a Nemfection is precisely that. An infection rather than an entity. A conduit to something else. Like putting a transmitter in your mind. And that once you have it, it's always there.
There is no way of knowing for certain why Mab was hiding in the garden. However you may be able to draw an inference from how Jim revealed her presence to the reader.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 23, 2019, 10:50:39 AM ---I personally believe Nemesis can affect just about anyone (excluding Archangels - WOJ on this) but not everyone. If the goal of Nemesis was to infect as many beings as possible, it would probably work a lot faster like a pandemic. But I tend to think it chooses its victims with care, it only goes after specifically vulnerable people. Also, I think it is "new". New is a relative term of course, but essentially most people who know of it seem to treat it like a new player in the game. Also, it doesn't affect everyone who knows of it. It only seems to infect certain types of people - and discards them if they become no longer useful. It certainly tries to be less overt and stay undiscovered. But the type of person it goes after, the profile of its victims, seems relatively uniform. That is: power-hungry, angry, resentful, ambitious, perhaps already somewhat mad, someone who wants things to change.
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I think there must be limitations to how Nemesis infects people or a strict limit on the number of victims it can put under the influence, because you are right. Without such limits the situation would look something like a pandemic or "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." The main difference would be that Nemesis wouldn't have to take over everyone. It would only need to reach a single wizard of the White Council, a single member of the White Court, a single member of Winter or Summer, and sooner or later nemfection would spread to the leaders of each organization. We know that didn't happen with Lea, because if Mab was telling Harry the whole truth at the end of Cold Days, Maeve was only one the illness was passed on to, and it's also possible that Aurora was the only member of the Summer Court to get the Nemesis flu.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 23, 2019, 10:50:39 AM ---Cat Sith is the only one who is hard to profile, as it is unclear when he became infected and whether we ever met the "real" Cat Sith. But Lea, Aurora, Maeve, Victor Sells and the others all seem to fit the mold.
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Cat Sith is the odd man out (literally) in what has happened so far. If Harry was correct, Cat Sith was grabbed by Sharkface, A.K.A. HWWB4, when the Malk progenitor was helping Harry out at the nature preserve (whatever it was called). It's difficult to see how Nemesis could use Sith now. I assume Mab would have figured it out what happened to Harry's batman, even if Harry failed to report it. It will be interesting if we see Grimalkin again and find out that he's been promoted.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 23, 2019, 10:50:39 AM ---So with that in mind and to answer your question, I think the next person to be infected will be LARA RAITH. Assuming she isn't already. And I suspect we might even get a hint of it come Peace Talks. Why? She fits the mold (ambitious, wants to change things up, perhaps a tad mad, and very power-hungry). She also makes a dangerous villain and a difficult problem that can not be just blasted out of existence. Harry will ahve to outmanouvre her, which will be difficult.
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Lara would definitely be a target unless some limitation on Nemesis prevents that from happening. It might be necessary to make Lara an ally instead of taking her over. It appears Lord Raith made a deal with Nemesis or HWWB (same thing really) for magical protection, probably in exchange for future help. Lara might be offered the same deal or something similar.
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