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Candidates for future Nemfection?
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: narphoenix on August 29, 2019, 11:35:26 PM ---Maeve implies in cold days that she intended to Nfect Justine.
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I had forgotten that. Much like Archimedes lever and fulcrum. A human worth infecting. Maybe.
Bad Alias:
As to the wizards/Whites aren't human debate, I try to be careful and either use the term "mortal" or "person" to try to distinguish different categories. It would be simple if the term mortal was always used the same way in the books, i.e., to refer to "vanillas" like Murphy and Marcone, but sometimes it's used to refer to wizards and such as well.
From my science learnin', when anything that can produce viable offspring with another thing, in their natural habitat, those two things are the same species. That would make Whites, Fae, Big Feet, and a host of other things human, but not mortal (unless you quibble about natural habitat).
kbrizzle:
@morriswalters
I’m pretty sure Lea (or any other Fae) cannot accept artifacts that change the power balance of the Court without first consulting their ruler. Iirc, Mab says that Lea challenged her power once she had the athame like @Mira says. In the end, Mab is forced to take the athame as well as Harry’s debt in compensation to rebalance things. I’d be really curious about what happened there.
The Gatekeeper likely kills the host & attempts to contain the Outsider (perhaps to banish it back beyond the Outer Gates seeing as he & DR had a past disagreement (perhaps about an issue like this one)?). I’m fairly certain that once an Nfected host dies, the Nfection dies with it. After all, Mab did not seem unduly concerned about containing anything after Maeve dies in CD.
I’m also not sure that Whamps should be considered immortal. During the duel in WN, Harry explicitly says that the Whamps in attendance were entranced by Madrigal’s death since a typical Whamp is supposed to live for centuries. Besides, they are not true immortals since they can be killed any day of year, including Halloween.
@peregrine
I believe Lash says that Vito Malvora was “possessed by an Outsider” in WN. While I also don’t think that humans/ wizards can be Nfected, if I were playing Devil’s advocate, I would say that perhaps wizards/ quasi-mortals who get Nfected get a massive power boost, superhuman resilience & arcane knowledge? These are traits Cowl seems to show.
@g33k
Hmm not sure about that, the Aesir & Jotun don’t seem to be running around much these days (outside of Odin & his cohort). Hell, Monoc Securities seems to be functioning just fine without a Thunderer or any of the other Norse deities, so why wouldn’t Winter without most of its power (since it is derived through purpose in the DV) be able to function in the future without a WK?
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on August 30, 2019, 03:20:47 AM ---From my science learnin', when anything that can produce viable offspring with another thing, in their natural habitat, those two things are the same species. That would make Whites, Fae, Big Feet, and a host of other things human, but not mortal (unless you quibble about natural habitat).
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Neanderthals beg to differ, but it isn't really important. Jim is somewhat vague about it, often using the term vanilla mortal. My use is aimed at the idea, that what is important, isn't who you are, but how you can affect the outcome the Outsiders seek.
@kbrizzle
The balancing is how Mab ends up with Harry's debt. And she still has the athame in Summer Knight.
--- Quote ---She arched her brows. "You should know better, dear godchild. You know I cannot speak what is untrue. During our last encounter I returned to Faerie with great power and upset vital balances. Those balances had to be redressed, and your debt was the mechanism that the Queen chose to employ."
I frowned at her for a minute. "Returned with great power." My eyes fell to the knife at her waist. "That thing the vampires gave you?"
She rested her fingers lightly on the knife's hilt. "Don't cheapen it. This athame was no creation of theirs. And it was less a gift than a trade."
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It's an interesting point for discussion, if not having a use by date is the same as not being able to be killed.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The balancing is how Mab ends up with Harry's debt. And she still has the athame in Summer Knight.
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She arched her brows. "You should know better, dear godchild. You know I cannot speak what is untrue. During our last encounter I returned to Faerie with great power and upset vital balances. Those balances had to be redressed, and your debt was the mechanism that the Queen chose to employ."
I frowned at her for a minute. "Returned with great power." My eyes fell to the knife at her waist. "That thing the vampires gave you?"
She rested her fingers lightly on the knife's hilt. "Don't cheapen it. This athame was no creation of theirs. And it was less a gift than a trade."
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This has me confused, Lea still has the knife after Mab has gained his debt... After she was gifted the knife in Grave Peril Lea gives Bianca the Holy Sword that Harry lost to her when he tried to kill her with it. We also know that a little human sacrifice was arranged as both entertainment and the breaking of a Holy Sword by it's misuse.. So my question is was the trade prearranged between Lea and Bianca? In other words was the knife something that Lea wanted but couldn't get until she got lucky when Harry screwed up?
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