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Small Favor Reread: Who Has Thorned Namshiel?
Con:
I'm gonna go with Marcone has it. Just a hunch.
I like finding old threads and theories that have been revealed. Thought this one was worth reminding people of just a few short years ago.
Mira:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on August 12, 2019, 02:55:51 AM ---None of the above. (This isn't an original idea, others have posted this same thought years ago.) Mr. Hendricks was in the helicopter firing the minigun with Gard flying and Luccio on the winch. Marcone's bodyguard could have easily touched the coin; assuming it rolled out of Michel's bag and landed on the floor, without meaning to do so in the dark helicopter cabin. I doubt Gard would have turned on any internal lighting until after they were out of range of groundfire.
Someone once posted the reason Marcone was out of the country in Ghost Story was he had taken Mr. Hendricks to the Vatican for an exorcism or something similar. That one seemed a bit far fetched to me.
Does anyone think that no matter who picked up Thorned Namshiel's coin, Nicodemus has it now and that was the coin he was offering to Goodman Grey near the end of Skin Game? (Because, that's my guess.)
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Yeah, if I remember correctly didn't Michael have the whole severed hand? I think it fell out in the helicopter, this was Marcone's helicopter, and was found after the fact on the floor. Also remember that coins seem to have a way of turning up where the best possible host for them will find them. I think Marcone held off on accepting it, because he did have some fear of it, but when Chicago was under attack and he stood to lose everything, he picked it up, because he felt he needed to.
Conspiracy Theorist:
He had had the coin for some time, he merely spent some time weighing up the Pro’s and Cons (he is an expert at both) and researching the matter before touching it and putting an offer to Namshiel he couldn’t refuse.
He has an idea about his own will from not succumbing to Lara, and he genuinely hated Nicky for leaving him vulnerable and weak in a way Harry never did, and having to be rescued by Harry to boot. He wanted to do nothing which would aid Nicky quite the opposite.
I think he tracked down all available records on Namshiel, which is why he was overseas.
seanham:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 25, 2022, 02:56:53 PM ---I think Marcone held off on accepting it, because he did have some fear of it, but when Chicago was under attack and he stood to lose everything, he picked it up, because he felt he needed to.
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I disagree that Marcone picked up Namshiel during PT/BG, I think Marcone trained with Namshiel for at least a year or two before BG. I agree that Marcone spent some time debating the pros and cons and researching before deciding to officially pick up the coin. In fact, I bet he spend some time making a formal contract with Namshiel and his abilities are at least a little reserved in order to have Macone stay in control. But there is no way that he would have worked as well as he did with Namshiel in the fight against Ethniu if that was the first time he picked up the coin.
Mira:
--- Quote from: seanham on April 25, 2022, 06:00:08 PM ---I disagree that Marcone picked up Namshiel during PT/BG, I think Marcone trained with Namshiel for at least a year or two before BG. I agree that Marcone spent some time debating the pros and cons and researching before deciding to officially pick up the coin. In fact, I bet he spend some time making a formal contract with Namshiel and his abilities are at least a little reserved in order to have Macone stay in control. But there is no way that he would have worked as well as he did with Namshiel in the fight against Ethniu if that was the first time he picked up the coin.
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I think he may have been a shadow in Marcone's head like Lasciel was in Harry's head and training him that way. Remember Lasciel offered Harry a deal as well that they'd be partners like Anduriel and Nic.. However I don't think Marcone has had the coin all that long, he was too clumsy doing the magic.
--- Quote ---He had had the coin for some time, he merely spent some time weighing up the Pro’s and Cons (he is an expert at both) and researching the matter before touching it and putting an offer to Namshiel he couldn’t refuse.
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No, the other way around it was Namshiel doing the offering, not Marcone.
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