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Re: Am I the only one that doesn't like the way Dresden is going.
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2023, 11:20:44 AM »
     For me, "Cold Days" was somewhat of a departure from what I love about The Dresden Files. "Battle Ground" was way over the top for that departure. I still look forward to the rest of the series, but I do that looking with some trepidation.

     Since Jim Butcher no longer reads this forum, it is unlikely that any of our thoughts posted here will reach him.

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Re: Am I the only one that doesn't like the way Dresden is going.
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2023, 06:44:44 AM »
     For me, "Cold Days" was somewhat of a departure from what I love about The Dresden Files. "Battle Ground" was way over the top for that departure. I still look forward to the rest of the series, but I do that looking with some trepidation.

     Since Jim Butcher no longer reads this forum, it is unlikely that any of our thoughts posted here will reach him.

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I loved Cold Days. I loved Skin Game too. The only books I had real problems with were Ghost Story, for reasons most can guess, then Peace Talks and Battle Grounds. It's hard to put into words, there was just a dissonance with the works that came before. Maybe it was because it went deeper into pure grimdark than it had before. I am not sure that was it either.  In Changes,  Harry was pretty stressed and didn't go in for much humor either.

I just got the feeling that Jim had painted himself into a corner and wasn't quite sure how to execute the escape.

That said, it was still a Dresden book and a mediocre Dresden book is better than most stuff. I am kind of hard up for stuff to read now. Jim's release schedule has slowed to a crawl and my other series just wrapped up, the Alex Verus books.

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Re: Am I the only one that doesn't like the way Dresden is going.
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2024, 09:13:20 PM »
No, you are not alone at all. I lost interest completely after Peace Talks and Battleground for many reasons. I understand plot and character development and am totally fine with being shocked, surprised and even unhappy about how a story goes. With PT/BG they felt like they were written by a totally different author. Its been a while since I read them and they're the only Dresden Files books I haven't re-read. Nor do I ever want to re-read them.

I haven't kept up with any short stories since I just don't care. From the sound of things I'm kinda right to feel that way. If there's ever a plausible in universe explanation for this, maybe I'll come back to reading them again. Right now I'm not holding out much hope for that.

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Re: Am I the only one that doesn't like the way Dresden is going.
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2025, 02:12:57 AM »
It is valid to not like the direction of the series or certain books in the series. Not every storyline is going to appeal to all readers. That being said, it is naive to think that there would not be changes to Harry and his surroundings over the course of a 20 something book series. When this series started, Harry had a very narrow world view. As someone already stated, it was very much a black and white worldview. He initially was just trying to keep his head down and pay the bills and then transitioned into protecting "his" city with the Vampire War. He had to start opening up his worldview in order to keep himself and his loved ones safe. He had to gather allies to himself and make choices like joining the Wardens. By necessity, those choices are going to change him. He is a wizard surrounded by mortal allies for the most part. People get hurt and sometimes die. I would have reacted unfavorably if everyone survived to the end because it is unbelievable that vanilla mortals can keep going toe to toe with monsters and not walk away unscathed.

Personally, although some books aren't my favorites (Ghost Story), I am glad that the series has evolved over time. Books like changes and Skin Game are very different from the case of the week format and are only possible with world building and character growth. Most case of the week shows/books end with everything returning to the status quo. Early seasons of Supernatural ended with the boys slaying the monster and getting back in the car and driving off to Carry on my Wayward Son. Star Trek the Next Generation episodes ended with the ship being saved from the disaster of the week and traveling on to the next mission. Without world building and growth storylines like the Vampire War don't happen. There may be some misfires, but I think every book being completely stand alone would have gotten stale.

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Re: Am I the only one that doesn't like the way Dresden is going.
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 04:27:51 PM »
The big issue for any writer is to not repeat themselves even though hardcore fans love a series for certain features.  But one thing I like about the books is Harry changes and evolves with experience.   He gets stronger, wiser and more skilled and the supporting cast gets bigger.  But as Harry evolves so too must his challenges increase. The Harry of Cold Days would have made short work of the challenges  of the early novels.  Harry's foes need to upgrade as his supporting cast and skills improve

But a story requires conflict and a protagonist is not supposed to be happy once the story begins until his or her triumphant finish.  And even then a price is to be paid.  Karrin Murphy was a great character, and will be missed by many but the next place for their story to go was to marriage and children.  Great for Harry, but there's not a lot of story to happy times. Story requires conflict and while there would be conflict about who is going to go out and kill the monster.  Writer's aren't supposed to be kind to their protagonists.  They're supposed to get them through. 

Consider the relationship imposed on Harry and Lara by Mab.  I can see why she would do it, it's less clear why Lara would agree to the alliance unless she was feeling a lot of pressure hanging on to the White Court.  It's about adding conflict and complexity to the story, and Lara, who is basically good but dangerous increases Harry's potential problems and rewards.

We might enjoy a short story about Harry at home and Happy, particularly if there was humor involved. The thing for any writer is not to write themselves into a corner but to introduce complications that can be used to make the story go.  That is one of the things I like the most about the books.