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Who dies in Peace Talks
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 11, 2019, 10:23:24 PM ---The sexual act does seem to have undue weight.
Look at the scene near the end of GS, where Justine figures out how to work around her and Thomas' "problem." I cheered her for finding a solution, but nevertheless... really, JB? Is it that much of a stupid-easy solution?
And if so, why isn't this stupid-easy solution common knowledge within the house filled with incubi & succubi???
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We've had this debate on and off for years, true love does not equal sex, heck it since some pay for the physical release of the act, or use it has a power trip or violence as in rape, has nothing to do with love at all.. Yet the sex act itself will destroy the protection of true love, even if the now vulnerable person still feels true love... Lara's lips burned when she kissed Harry because he hadn't had sex with anyone since Susan left him...
Kindler:
I always assumed it had something to do with aura or souls. For example, Bob notices that Harry recently got a hug from Murphy at the end of one of the books (probably Small Favor, when Harry first chucks out Soulfire, but I can't recall exactly). The way Bob described it is that there's a kind of co-mingling going on there. I imagine sex is simply the strongest type of soul co-mingling that's possible, and since there's so much of two people's soul (or aura?), there's no room for a third party to feed on it.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Kindler on August 12, 2019, 02:49:14 PM ---I always assumed it had something to do with aura or souls. For example, Bob notices that Harry recently got a hug from Murphy at the end of one of the books (probably Small Favor, when Harry first chucks out Soulfire, but I can't recall exactly). The way Bob described it is that there's a kind of co-mingling going on there. I imagine sex is simply the strongest type of soul co-mingling that's possible, and since there's so much of two people's soul (or aura?), there's no room for a third party to feed on it.
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At least on the debate we had, cannot remember if there was a WOJ on it or not, but even rape can wreck the protection.. That is hardly soul co-mingling more like soul destroying...
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 11, 2019, 10:23:24 PM ---The sexual act does seem to have undue weight.
Look at the scene near the end of GS, where Justine figures out how to work around her and Thomas' "problem." I cheered her for finding a solution, but nevertheless... really, JB? Is it that much of a stupid-easy solution?
And if so, why isn't this stupid-easy solution common knowledge within the house filled with incubi & succubi???
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Because none of them have been in love? Plus, they were raised to think of love as a poison to be avoided at all costs.
The White Court are like a group of families whose individual members are almost all psychopaths. They don't quite fit the definition of being psychopaths, but it's pretty close. It's the combination of the demon inside of each White Court vamp and how they are raised that makes them what they are.
(Just to be clear, a psychopath can be intelligent, charismatic and very successful in the outside world. I read an article that claimed that perhaps 10-15% of all Fortune 500 company CEO's might qualify as psychopaths. They can fake having empathy and other deep emotions, but they lack real empathy for anyone but themselves. Most psychopaths are not murderers, my guess is a huge percentage are con artists. Such a person has no problems stealing the life savings of an 80 year-old retired school teacher, for example. In fact, they would consider it fun. Sociopaths tend to be introverts and loners, they have difficulty communicating with others, but at times can develop some empathy for an individual or a group. The serial killer Ted Bundy was a psychopath; some people who thought they were his friends told Bundy he should go into politics, that he could become the Governor of his state someday. Ted Kaczynski; AKA the Unabomber, is a sociopath; he left a normal college job and lived by himself in a cabin, but had a degree of empathy for his brother, who turned him in.)
Thomas is obviously an exception to rest of his kin, but according to Lara, there have been others like him. Because of the influence of their demon within them, White Court vampires aren't natural psychopaths; if the word "natural" even applies here, but like Lara and Madeline they can come to revel in being monsters.
So most White Court vampires would never think about how to get around "love immunity." They don't share any empathy with the people they feed off of, Lord Raith didn't have any real empathy for his children, and without empathy love can't exist.
(This topic reminds of a WAG I want to post about Thomas. Unfortunately, I've still got a lot to write so it might take another week or two for me to finish, edit and post it. I think it will draw a reaction, and probably a strong one, from many of you. Unfortunately, lunch is over, time to get back to real work. Maybe I can work on it tonight.)
Bad Alias:
In the words of Thomas when explaining how he feeds at the hair salon, it's not sex, it's intimacy. Though it seems physical contact is also required. Therefore it's probably intimate physical contact that's required. There aren't too many acts of physical contact that are even arguably more intimate than sex. Sex between two people in "true" love would be both physically and emotionally intimate, and that level of intimacy is what's required to leave the protection. The intimacy act of sex would seem to be the minimum amount of intimacy to remove the protection.
Also, Madeline Raith had it figured out in Turn Coat.
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