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Who dies in Peace Talks

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Mira:


Why do you think Murphy is safe until "Body Slam"?   Do you have inside information?  Though I
tend to agree our collective legs were being pulled by Jim in regards to writing about her funeral...

Kindler:
No, I don't have any information you don't have access to. I think she's safe because:
A) they literally just started their romantic relationship, and Jim isn't going to end it right away in Peace Talks; he's spent fifteen books building toward that relationship, and he's not going to waste it in one book.
B) He still has to explore Murphy's injury and its effects on her character and personality as she deals with being, for the moment, handicapped.
C) If he's going to kill Murphy (in plot-related events, I mean; there might be a Distant Finale or something where she's died of old age or disease or something), she's going to go down fighting. There is zero chance, in my opinion, that she's going to be helpless if or when she dies, and three months after Skin Game, she's not going to be able to do any fighting due to her injuries. She's earned a warrior's death, and though Jim's cruel, he also operates partially on Rule of Cool. The guy's not George R.R. Martin, jokes about waiting years for the next book aside, and he's not going to rob readers of seeing her die well if she's going to die at all.
D) I assume she won't bite the dust in Mirror, Mirror, since I further assume Prime Murphy won't be in it much, if at all; if she somehow travels with him to the alternate universe, maybe she'll get left behind or get killed or something, though.
E) I know Jim likes to torture us, but Murphy's honestly been through enough the past several books, and her character arc isn't nearly complete yet.
F) We really need to explore her relationship with Maggie, too—her previously absentee father's old friend/new girlfriend is going to be deliciously awkward, I think, and probably more than a little heartwarming.
G) She's part of the main cast. There's no way Jim leaks that Murphy dies unless it's a case of Exact Words (meaning Ms. Murphy, or a flashback to Jack Murphy's funeral, etc.)
H) There's a whole side to Murphy that we haven't seen yet, and Jim has been building toward showing that to us. She's not going to die until we've seen it.
I) There's no way Harry's got his sh*t together a few months after Peace Talks if Murphy's dead. Not enough to banter with Mab and Kringle, or happily putting together a bicycle. Mostly, I think he'd be either furious or devastated or SadGry, a word I just made up. He can handle the loss of some people, but Murphy, Michael, Molly, or Maggie (all the M's) would wreck him completely.

Anyway, since I really doubt Murphy dies in Peace Talks and I assume she won't really be in Mirror, Mirror, I think she's safe until at least Body Slam. Though that book sounds reasonably lighthearted, so it might not fit the narrative.

Personally, I think that the Case Files books will end with Harry's "retirement," where he basically says, "I've had enough," and screws off to live on Demonreach like a hermit or something. I think Murphy's death is what makes him quit. Then he's pulled out of his semi-retirement for the BAT, because there's literally nobody else who can stop it. Though, of course, that's speculation of the highest order, trying to predict events we're a decade (or less. Please, God, less) away from reading.

123Chikadee:
@KurtinStGeorge: Oh yeah? Sorry bout that.
@Kindler: Oooh, I like how you listed it.
1. Me too on all counts. I'm not sure how involved she is gonna be involved in PT. I'm with Kindler on this.
2. I dunno, I feel like that's a tad too obvious and JB's good at mixing it up, trope wise. So I think Thomas will get injured and live as a way to keep the audience guessing. It'll be a fake out IMO.
3. I hope they will and that they get a lot stronger. Maybe take down some other antagonists.
4. Very true.
5. Yeah. Same. Though I do think that he'll get hurt, just to show that being a Jedi Knight isn't just wish fulfillment.
6. Well there are going to be some shake ups, and this would be a pretty big one to me.
7. Oh yeah, I didn't think of it like that.
8. Gard dying I hadn't thought on too much, just that she'd be upset if Hendricks died but yeah I could see her go out in a blaze of glory. Having her and Hendricks go down together would be sweet.
9. Yeah I'm a tad doubtful about Bob dying in this book since he's so useful. But yeah I wanna be the fly on the wall when the council finds out about him.
10. Yeah me too, plus, fridging is a bad thing.
11. Hm, I hadn't thought Thomas could be desperate enough to do that, but its an interesting possibility. I just think Lara is a solid 50/50. She's been getting stronger and stronger all this time, so if not death, then a serious setback for her.
12. Yup.
13. Yeah and she just got her new gig too.
14. This. The idea that Odin's Vadderung mantle could "die" but not his "Santa" one is pretty neat. If that's the case, it'd be neat to learn how that works. "Christmas Eve" on the whole, showed that Winter would be ok.
15. Yeah, I'm thinking it's time for White King to die. Yeah, I think there's gonna a coup.
16. Oh yeah, it'll be awhile before he dies.
17. Wouldn't it just? I think Listens-to-Wind might stick around a bit longer than Martha Liberty will, just a feeling.
18. Yeah I see your point, but I do think Eb is a 50/50 with dying. I'm not sure when he dies but it would be a good way to hurt Harry, which JB is all about.
19. I could too, though I think Luccio could die more than Carlos. I think he's got a ways to go before he dies.
20. Exactly so hurray for all of them!
21. Yeah and it would get that way pretty fast, so I'm thinking Kincaid could die trying to protect her.
22. Oh, yeah speaking of. This for sure. It'd be even better if Thomas was around when that gets revealed.
23. Oooh, me too. Christos getting killed would be interesting to see.
24. Yeah could be, esp as he could try and help out Harry before he dies.
25. LOL omg, that'd be amazing.
26. Exactly, I see him succeeding where Vincent fails. So maybe Tilly and Vincent meet?
27. Yeah, they'll show up for sure. My money on Kumori's ID is Faith Astor, but if she's nobody we've seen then yeah, she could die. Cowl's got a ways to go yet.
28. Yeah, Elaine'll prolly live. I'm actually not sure if she'll show up or not.
29. Yeah, you're prolly right. I just want Summer to get more coverage. Something, anything.
30. Yeah no. It would be cool if Mouse's Shadow would show up but I doubt it.
31. Think there's a WOJ that said she lived.
32. Yeah, he'll live, I'd be surprised if he didn't but I don't mind being wrong on this one. That'd be such an insane twist.
33. Yeah and I'd be as sad as Harry too if it happened.
34. True, so that means she'll die at a later point.
35. Exactly, it's not Karrin but a family member. This funeral is what I think will keep Karrin too busy to participate in the Peace Talks.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Kindler on June 27, 2019, 03:57:01 PM ---18. I don't think Eb will die just yet. His death will have significant ramifications, I think, and I can't see the next book failing to explore those. Kinda feel the same way about Martha and Injun Joe, but I could be totally wrong.
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23. Christos might snuff it, if only because this book is bound to have political gamesmanship and I'd love to see him get caught up in his own scheme.

--- End quote ---
Eb's death (or anyone's really) could be explored in a really interesting way in Mirror Mirror with Eb (or, again, said anyone).

I think Cristos will live precisely because he is either Black Council or has a firm grasp on the idiot ball. I'd bet he'll be around to cause problems for a while now.


--- Quote from: Kindler on June 27, 2019, 07:17:18 PM ---SadGry, a word I just made up.

--- End quote ---

Word approved.

123Chikadee:
That's a good point. I do wanna know when Eb's gonna die. It feels like it'll come soon. Yeah, I bet your right about Christos.
SadGry, that's perfect, lol.

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