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morriswalters:
Still no.  Quit looking at Michael and look at what Harry is saying. After your quote there is some back and forth, then Harry calls the Council and gets them to call in the Archive. It's a very well written passage.
--- Quote ---“You confused him,” Sanya rumbled.
I glanced at the dark-skinned Knight. “What?”
“You confused him,” Sanya repeated. “Because of what you did.”
“What? Lying to the Council? I don’t see that I had much choice.”
“But you did,” Sanya said placidly. He reached into the gym bag on the floor next to him and drew out a long saber, an old cavalry weapon—Esperacchius. A nail worked into the hilt declared it a brother of Michael’s sword. He started inspecting the blade. “You could have simply moved to attack them.”
“By myself? I’m bad, but I’m not that bad.”
“He’s your friend. He would have come with you. You know that.”
I shook my head. “He’s my friend. Period. You don’t do that to your friends.”
“Precisely,” Sanya said. “So instead you have placed your own life in jeopardy in order to protect his beliefs. You risk your body to preserve his heart.” He brought out a smooth sharpening stone and began stropping the saber’s blade. “I suppose he considers it a particularly messianic act.”
--- End quote ---

nadia.skylark:
The only thing your quote establishes is that Michael is willing to fight to aid and protect Harry. It says nothing about him being willing to rescue Marcone if Harry doesn't force the situation.

morriswalters:
Okay then.

Mira:

--- Quote ---It seems pretty clear to me in this that Michael refuses to hunt down the Denarians (as opposed to agreeing, but qualifying it by saying that he's not giving up on the Knights' "redemption first" policy, and that as such he's not going to go straight to trying to kill them) even after it is pointed out to him that they have kidnapped Marcone and are planning to force him to take up a coin.

--- End quote ---

It is the hardest thing to grasp and why not everyone is cut out to be a Holy Knight.  Yes, they fight evil, yes, they will kill a Denarian if they have to, but they do not go out on seek and destroy missions..   Sanya is clearly willing to, but his background is a bit different than Michael's.  Michael has to remind them what their mission as Knights is.


--- Quote ---"Agreed," Sanya said firmly. "Take the initiative. Find him and hit the snake before he can coil to strike."

Michael shook his head. "Brother, you forget our purpose. We are not given our power so that we can strike down our enemies, no matter how much they might deserve it. Our purpose is to rescue the poor souls trapped by the Fallen."
--- End quote ---

Free will still applies,  Michael isn't going to try and rescue Marcone to preventhim from taking up a coin..  Actually I don't know if it has been established that one can be forced to do that.. But if Marcone were to take up a coin, then Michael would do everything he could to get him to give it up.

nadia.skylark:

--- Quote ---It is the hardest thing to grasp and why not everyone is cut out to be a Holy Knight.  Yes, they fight evil, yes, they will kill a Denarian if they have to, but they do not go out on seek and destroy missions..   Sanya is clearly willing to, but his background is a bit different than Michael's.  Michael has to remind them what their mission as Knights is.
--- End quote ---

And apparently they don't do rescue missions either, despite the fact that in both Death Masks and Changes they do do rescue missions. It is an inconsistency, unless there is something else going on. I posit that the 'something else' is Michael's distrust of Harry.


--- Quote ---Free will still applies,  Michael isn't going to try and rescue Marcone to preventhim from taking up a coin..
--- End quote ---

Why not? Shiro went to rescue Harry from Nicodemus when he was basically in the same situation as Marcone was--i.e. "take up a coin or else."

Here's an analogy: You know that a bunch of terrorists are going to blow up a bomb in an airport. There are no authorities you can call. Do you:
A) Try to kill/arrest all the terrorists beforehand.
B) Try to evacuate the airport and disarm the bomb, while trying to convince the terrorists to stop being terrorists.
C) Allow the bomb to blow up the airport and kill loads of people, then show up afterwords to help with medical care and triage.

I have no problems with the Knights refusing to go with option A. I do, however, see an issue with them choosing option C over option B. Even if it's not their job to protect innocents (and I would argue that it is part of their job, based on what we've seen them do in the books) they can't try to redeem any Denarians if they don't locate Denarians to redeem.

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