The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Proven Guilty speculation, because, why not?
g33k:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 19, 2019, 01:55:25 AM ---What? I'm confused. As far as I understand:
1) Lots of people can use magic,
2) Illusion magic is definitely a thing that non-faeries can do, and
3) Faeries are not noted as being specifically undetectable to magic-users.
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Mortal practitioners detect one another at touch, detecting rough power-levels, e.g. from a handshake or any other skin-contact. Faeries can shake mortals' hands without being detected.
OTOH, Fae are generally pretty bad at "passing for mortal" for more than a few moments. They tend to be too beautiful, or too ugly, or too odd... just "too" something.
morriswalters:
@nadia.skylark
The point of this is that in the books we normally see all the players who directly act. Who was the summoner?
@g33k
Jenny Greenteeth manages to pass for Georgia well enough.
@Bad Alias
The fetches appear multiple times, but in the bathroom there is never a temperature drop mentioned.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Mortal practitioners detect one another at touch, detecting rough power-levels, e.g. from a handshake or any other skin-contact. Faeries can shake mortals' hands without being detected.
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I'm trying to remember a time in one of the books where Harry shook a faerie's hand and didn't realize what they were, but I'm drawing a blank. Was it Aurora? I'd thought he had his hands full with Elaine when they met.
--- Quote ---The point of this is that in the books we normally see all the players who directly act. Who was the summoner?
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I know that bit. What I was confused about was where the idea that the fae are the only beings who can use magic and illusions without being detectible.
As I recall, Harry usually detects faeries pretty fast when they're around.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 18, 2019, 10:12:29 PM ---And if I had a copy of Peace Talks in font of my face we wouldn't be talking. But I don't, so I'll defend.
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This is one of the things I love about reading your posts.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 19, 2019, 03:38:32 AM ---The fetches appear multiple times, but in the bathroom there is never a temperature drop mentioned.
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Two of the witnesses aren't in great shape. You have Pell who can barely talk and Nelson who is going crazy. Did Rawlins get there in time to notice such a thing? Would he notice? But yes, that's a good point.
I'm not sure what makes the temperature change when Summer/Winter shows up. We've only seen it with the Knights, the Queens, whatever happened here, and in Small Favor with the kelpies, but we've seen Summer and Winter forces much more often than that. I'd say we don't have enough information to even attempt to draw conclusions, but I don't have a copy of Peace Talks either.
morriswalters:
This is the worst time for me. The last mile so to speak. The drug is close, I can see the dealer walking down the street.;D
The difference between the attacks is striking, two are general and one is specific. In the bathroom attack the creatures come in, disable Pell and then leave. They don't kill him and they don't leave the bathroom. Doesn't that strike you as strange? No temperature change. More like somebody was watching the mirrors from the other side and were waiting for Pell. And they hurt him enough to make sure the theater was unoccupied, but left him alive so that the nature of the place wouldn't change and shift the portal. These apparently were sent from the other side.
The other attacks seemed to have required a summoner, someone who called the fetches to a place to wreak havoc and murder. So I theorize that the fetches came in through a portal and the temperature drop represents the cold of Winter or the Cold of someone using Winter magic.
@nadia.skylark
About the magic. Any number of things can use magic in the books, but either you posit an off page actor who is never exposed in the book or you posit someone in the book whose identity is concealed. In the first murder attack someone uses a ward and maybe a myrk. In the second someone disables the lights and alarms. If not Marling then who else in the book could it be, and who ran from the screening room?
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