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How often does Harry's withholding of information actually get people hurt...
Mira:
--- Quote ---So even one have contact with a supernatural like Bianca, it is not that easy to actually enter the game. This is especially true during the early part of the series. The supernatural world is still peaceful at the time, and even the war with the red court is unlikely to start so early if not for Harry triggering it. Under such a peaceful times, the supernaturals tends to hide more. Later part of the series, especially after the red court is wiped and the appearance of the fomor resulted in the loosening of the veil of secrecy, but that is far from book 3. If Susan could survive until book 12 on her own, she'll would become a different person.
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Victor Sells, self taught sorcerer making Three Eye to sell to addicts and stupid kids.. Did Harry trigger that? Or the remote ripping out of hearts...Did Harry trigger that? Or how secret was either one of those acts? Or Bianca sucking the life out of her vanilla secretary because Harry brought her the news about what happened to her friend... Or the F.B.I. wearing the Hexenbelts ripping apart some people that didn't deserve it... Or the kids that Bianca groomed to either be turned or food at the party that night? Some may have burned up because Harry let loose, but the reason they were at that party wasn't because the Red Court was just minding it's own business peacefully..
Susan may have become a different person by book 12, for one thing she had already paid a very heavy price for her own stupidity, that tends to change a person..
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I don't think so. Book 1 for example. Even if Murphy know that Bianca is a vampire, she can tore the mask open. Bianca also does not go around sucking Murphy's blood just because Murphy is annoying her. Unless someone truly touch her bottom line, the likes of Bianca will play via mortal means. Using money and political pressure to handle matters.
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That is because Murphy is a police officer. It is explicitly stated that the supernatural world goes out of its way to avoid involving mortal authorities.
--- Quote ---So even one have contact with a supernatural like Bianca, it is not that easy to actually enter the game. This is especially true during the early part of the series. The supernatural world is still peaceful at the time, and even the war with the red court is unlikely to start so early if not for Harry triggering it. Under such a peaceful times, the supernaturals tends to hide more. Later part of the series, especially after the red court is wiped and the appearance of the fomor resulted in the loosening of the veil of secrecy, but that is far from book 3. If Susan could survive until book 12 on her own, she'll would become a different person.
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I agree with Mira's response here. I'd also like to add that I flat-out don't believe that if someone goes looking for vampires and gets reasonably close to them, that a vampire isn't going to eat them. Vampires, after all, need to eat, so there's no reason not to multitask and get rid of threats to the masquerade while doing so. I'd also like to note that the Churchmice involved themselves with the supernatural via stealing a magic artifact (and according to Skin Game, they were originally hired by Nicodemus) and got killed by Denarians (mostly) for their trouble. Also, you're forgetting all the minor practitioners, many or most of whom were almost certainly vanilla mortals before they went looking for the supernatural and learned a few tricks--and then got targeted by vampires as a result. Face it, the Alpha's before Harry gave them a full explanation of the supernatural world were way better off than the Ordo Lebes before Harry got involved with them.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 05, 2019, 04:58:06 AM ---That is because Murphy is a police officer. It is explicitly stated that the supernatural world goes out of its way to avoid involving mortal authorities.
I agree with Mira's response here. I'd also like to add that I flat-out don't believe that if someone goes looking for vampires and gets reasonably close to them, that a vampire isn't going to eat them. Vampires, after all, need to eat, so there's no reason not to multitask and get rid of threats to the masquerade while doing so. I'd also like to note that the Churchmice involved themselves with the supernatural via stealing a magic artifact (and according to Skin Game, they were originally hired by Nicodemus) and got killed by Denarians (mostly) for their trouble. Also, you're forgetting all the minor practitioners, many or most of whom were almost certainly vanilla mortals before they went looking for the supernatural and learned a few tricks--and then got targeted by vampires as a result. Face it, the Alpha's before Harry gave them a full explanation of the supernatural world were way better off than the Ordo Lebes before Harry got involved with them.
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The average people won't get involve much, unless the supernatural is plotting something like what the white court did in book 9 or what the fomorians did after book 12. In such case, nobody is safe.
Susan for example. She is a reporter. She is looking for a scoop. The only she could keep getting into othentic supernatural news is if someone direct her into it. Without someone like Harry, she can only snoop around randomly. The likelihood she'll actually get into deep water is if she truly has rotten luck. Gotten strike by lighting on a clear day kind of rotten luck. It is possible, but unlikely.
Part of the reason why Bianca targeted her is because she is Harry's girlfriend as well. So without that layer of relationship she wouldn't get into the bawl, nor would she get the special attention andenmity from the likes of Bianca. The average vampire will only see her as just another bag of blood and there is plenty of blood bag out there. The poor, the homeless, the desperate. why should they target her?
Mira:
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Susan for example. She is a reporter. She is looking for a scoop. The only she could keep getting into othentic supernatural news is if someone direct her into it. Without someone like Harry, she can only snoop around randomly. The likelihood she'll actually get into deep water is if she truly has rotten luck. Gotten strike by lighting on a clear day kind of rotten luck. It is possible, but unlikely.
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She was working for a supernatural rag... She was a smart driven young woman, she never snooped randomly... Reporters, good ones, don't do that... She wanted to make a big enough splash so that she could move up to a bigger paper. That is what motivated her to steal that invitation...
Kindler:
My things with Kirby are that
1. when the Alphas actually engaged the Skinwalker immediately after Kirby got his throat ripped out and Andi was beaten, they successfully drove it off. They didn't beat it, or hurt it, but they put it at a temporary disadvantage long enough for it to not see enough profit in continuing the engagement. So I don't think the Alphas were defenseless. Kirby just picked up the Idiot Ball. It was like he was the character in a ghost story going to investigate the strange noise in the attic by climbing up the stairs backwards with a flashlight that keeps turning off.
2. Kirby was standing watch on the other side of the parking lot, dozens of yards away from any help. He was standing under a streetlight, as a human rather than a wolf, holding a brightly lit cellphone in his hand. He wasn't ready for a surprise attack, even though the guy was supposed to be standing watch. Dresden recognizes the danger Kirby's in, and runs out to call him back when the Skinwalker gets him.
3. If Harry Flippin' Dresden, Big Bad Brother Harry, as Butters calls him—the guy who the Alphas saw take down an entire group of Fae cavalry with one spell, a guy they've personally witnessed take on a pack of Hexenwulves AND a loup-garou, a guy with a reputation for being tough, competent, and extremely powerful (relative to them)—if THAT guy came to me, desperately calculating prime numbers to maintain his grip on his sanity, white as a sheet, telling me that he needed a dark, quiet place for an hour and a half before he was stable enough to function, and that whatever was after him was "really bad," my first response wouldn't be "Let's post two guards several dozen yards away from any kind of protection." It would be "Everyone come into my apartment; we're going to keep watch through the windows and guard ourselves behind a threshold, because something terrifying and powerful enough to send the most badass person we've ever met into gibbering madness is coming, and it's pretty obvious we should do whatever we can to protect ourselves without engaging it."
I mean, shouldn't Billy or Georgia have been smart enough to think, "Hey, maybe this thing could reduce us to insanity too?" And shouldn't Kirby have thought, "Hey, I not only have better senses as a wolf, but I'm faster, stronger, and harder to kill, so I should probably stay as a wolf while I know something dangerous is around?"
Yes, Harry led the skinwalker to the area. But a couple of things about that. 1. Harry didn't have much of a choice. There was, quite literally, nowhere else to go. He couldn't have made it back to his apartment where a threshold would have protected him in the state he was in. He couldn't hide in a crowd of people, because there would be too much noise or light for him to do what he had to. Billy's place was the only one that would be both safe and quiet enough for him to recover. And 2. They don't take Harry's warning seriously enough. Applying even an ounce of genre savviness would have been enough for the Alphas to have escaped without permanent injury.
Maybe you can argue that Harry should have given Billy the rundown on the greater supernatural world, but I don't think it would've done them any good. They already knew there were things like the Loup Garou out there that they couldn't handle. They knew that there were WolfWeres like Tera West that were old and powerful enough to train humans to turn into wolves, so they had to know that the supernatural was bigger, weirder, and more dangerous than they thought. And when you have the guy who sets the bar for humanity's stand against the Spooky Things in the Night come to you and tell you that something really bad is coming, you take all the steps you can to make sure that you and yours stay alive.
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