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How often does Harry's withholding of information actually get people hurt...
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 04, 2019, 08:54:20 PM ---Will clearly tells him it isn't his fault...
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Does he? His statement is equivocal as to whose at fault. It's definitely not someone checking Harry like Michael does in Skin Game or Murphy does in White Night. I think it's a good point. I don't agree with the conclusion, but I respect it.
--- Quote from: g33k on June 04, 2019, 09:58:23 PM ---It... kinda makes sense that every Darth Bathrobe who visits has just gotta go poke him with a stick.
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I was thinking he usually pokes them with a stick first. Then I was reviewing, and he does the initial poking three to five times. Depends on how you count instances of good guys roping Harry into something without telling him everything that's actually going on.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 04, 2019, 10:11:01 PM ---What bemuses me is that everyone seems to want Harry to be guilty of a crime if he bears the responsibility. ... He quotes Stan Lee often enough.
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I think that turns on a different understanding of the word "responsibility." For example, I take the Stan Lee quote to mean that Harry has a responsibility to act, but he isn't responsible for unforeseeable consequences of his actions. I look at responsibility closer to the culpability end of the spectrum than the cause-in-fact end of the spectrum.
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on June 05, 2019, 03:10:27 AM ---Most of them isn't dead.
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You sure about that? How many died in Fool Moon?
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on June 05, 2019, 03:10:27 AM ---Most people who get into the supernatural world via Harry however, is either dead or suffer considerable losses.
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1. Most people who get involved in the supernatural world via Harry do so because they are desperate. 2. Susan didn't get involved in the supernatural world via Harry, and honestly, neither did anyone else in the books that I can think of. They're all involved and that's how they meet Harry.
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on June 05, 2019, 03:10:27 AM ---Susan could possibly involve herself in the supernatural by herself. But without Harry's help, she is unlikely to enter into the deep end of the pool. Even if she eventually gets there, it wouldn't be that fast and if she did manage to end up in the deep end of the pool by her own skill and wit , she'll be a different person than her version in book 3.
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I disagree for reasons previously stated.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 05, 2019, 03:29:41 AM ---Actually, most of the situations he's involved in, he involved himself rather than getting "poked with a stick." And a lot of what happened also happened due to the location or due to Marcone (so if Harry was in a different city, it wouldn't be happening around him). So once again, I don't see how he's a "lightning rod." If anything, he's more of a storm chaser.
Actually, most of the vanilla mortals we see involved in the supernatural world are in situations like being eaten by vampires, having made bad deals with faeries, getting killed by denarians, getting killed by vampires, or getting killed by necromancers, getting killed by faeries.
By those standards, Harry's friends are doing quite well.
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With the exception of those people who make deals with the fae, the rest you mention are not people who get involve with the supernatural world. They are downright victims. The supernatural get involve with them, not the other way around. Normal vanilla mortals are not very likely to bump into vampires on a daily basis, and even those who pokes around searching won't find the supernatural so easily. To suspect, to heard something, to realize the existence of the supernatural is not that difficult. To truly has an encounter with one however is not that simple, especially the high level powerhouse like a vampire Baron.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---With the exception of those people who make deals with the fae, the rest you mention are not people who get involve with the supernatural world. They are downright victims. The supernatural get involve with them, not the other way around. Normal vanilla mortals are not very likely to bump into vampires on a daily basis, and even those who pokes around searching won't find the supernatural so easily. To suspect, to heard something, to realize the existence of the supernatural is not that difficult. To truly has an encounter with one however is not that simple, especially the high level powerhouse like a vampire Baron.
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You're wrong.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 05, 2019, 04:03:22 AM ---You're wrong.
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I don't think so. Book 1 for example. Even if Murphy know that Bianca is a vampire, she can tore the mask open. Bianca also does not go around sucking Murphy's blood just because Murphy is annoying her. Unless someone truly touch her bottom line, the likes of Bianca will play via mortal means. Using money and political pressure to handle matters.
So even one have contact with a supernatural like Bianca, it is not that easy to actually enter the game. This is especially true during the early part of the series. The supernatural world is still peaceful at the time, and even the war with the red court is unlikely to start so early if not for Harry triggering it. Under such a peaceful times, the supernaturals tends to hide more. Later part of the series, especially after the red court is wiped and the appearance of the fomor resulted in the loosening of the veil of secrecy, but that is far from book 3. If Susan could survive until book 12 on her own, she'll would become a different person.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Does he? His statement is equivocal as to whose at fault. It's definitely not someone checking Harry like Michael does in Skin Game or Murphy does in White Night. I think it's a good point. I don't agree with the conclusion, but I respect it.
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Really? page 35 Turn Coat...
--- Quote ---"Kirby was an adult, Dresden," Billy said. "He knew what could happen. He chose to be here."
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There is nothing equivocal about that statement.. Kirby chose to put himself in harm's way.. He was an adult making adult choices.. He had chosen to be part of the pack as a werewolf long before he met Harry..
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