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Further proof that black magic is connected to Outsiders

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g33k:

--- Quote from: Hankthemoose on May 22, 2019, 04:53:33 PM ---Good catch! though mainly I understood that Michael had been sent on that mission to put him in a position to save Molly. I suppose the swords do get sent into non-denarian missions pretty regularly, considering Butters' first mission. I'm still fairly confident that outsiders are at best a peripheral concern to them.

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The Swords (and the Knights) are specifically/primarily about opposing the Denarians, rescuing their hosts from servitude to the Fallen.

But they do a LOT of other stuff...  rescue the Council from Ramp-summoned Outsiders, rescue Charity from Siriothrax, fight an Accorded duel with a Jade-court vamp (Jamp?), rescue Harry (and a station full of civilians) from a horde of Hobs, etc...

Given all the ineffability that the Almighty seems to fling about, though, it's not clear that ANY of those other missions are not -- at some level indiscernable to you and I and Harry Dresden -- opposing the Denarians.

kbrizzle:
@Hank
While I get your point about some Black magic users being against Outsiders, we have yet to see any evidence of that in the novels. Sure, there are users like the Korean kid in PG who don’t overtly support or have any connections to Outsiders, but there is no evidence that they are opposed to them. Nicodemus is not a wizard, in fact the Denarians with abilities to wield magic are Thorned Namshiel (on Black Council) & Tessa (also likely Black Council or being used by them).

The point in the series is that most wizards will use a little black magic in their time... the world of the DF almost makes it inevitable - the ones who keep using it without caution almost always become corrupted by it. My WAG is simply about the ones who have become corrupted by it - I think that taint opens up a ‘gate’ of sorts to the Outside (& may even be one of the requirements to open the Gates). If you think about the Laws of Magic, doesn’t the 7th one about the Outside seem like a non-sequitur?

I don’t think there is anything normal in most uses of black magic - they are all somewhat unique in manifestation, motivation & abuse (see Molly vs. beheaded Korean kid).

Regarding your point about the 2 concurrent conflicts - hmm that’s how most of Harry’s casefiles end - a couple of seemingly disparate things going on that end up being intertwined in the end (Blood Rites included).

I believe others have already commented on how the Swords can do a lot of other things in addition to fighting the Denarians. The purpose of the Swords is to fight evil of any kind. The purpose of the KotC is the fight/ save the Denarians. The KotC do not need to dedicate themselves to fighting Outsiders because, as you point out, it is Mab’s job (presumably given to her by TWG or his agents).

@morriswalters
That is likely true - my point in this post is just to conjecture that the reason the SC is looking at every kid (as opposed to just the Wardens) is because they are looking for signs of Outsider activity.

Surely every time a warlock is captured red-handed, the SC doesn’t need to personally soulgaze the person. As long as a Warden, or someone on the Council gazes the warlock, I think the SC is satisfied. In PG, warden Harry has gazed Molly, so perhaps that’s the workaround?

morriswalters:
I have no idea.  Or maybe since it was about messaging, since he might have wanted to make sure that he covered his arse.

Bad Alias:
@kbrizzle: Rosanna also uses magic. I don't know if we want to count Hannah in there, but we probably see her use more magic than any other Denarian.

kbrizzle:
@Bad Alias
True & Rosanna is Tessa’s top lieutenant. I guess we could count Hannah Ascher but again, she is not overtly opposed to Outsiders

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