The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Motivation for fixing Little Chicago?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Little Chicago was fixed in the same book Arctis Tor was attacked. Arctis Tor was specifically made to look weak by Mab to lure her enemies into a costly frontal assault. After that she is cleaning up for the next few books now that their main strength is weakened. How does she lure them in? She sends her most obvious known forces away. Who is her hole card? TT Harry. I don't know if he fixed little Chicago before or after the fight at Arctis Tor, but since we already suspect he was in the area for that fixing Little Chicago, why not look at what other purposes being in that time could accomplish?
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If he was dealing with the attack on Arctis Tor after fixing Little Chicago, then that resolves my issues with TT!Harry being the one to fix it.
kbrizzle:
@morriswalters
The attack at Arctis Tor left thousands dead, including ALL Winter defenders. There is not a soul alive that isn’t involved in the Molly/ Fetch plot or is a prisoner in the Garden (or Mab). How does this mirror what Harry did apart from throwing around hellfire? Harry’s was a surgical strike, the assault was.... an assault that blew through the front gates.
My read on what happened is that yes, Mab was likely able to get away/ hide out in the Garden during the assault - this is the reason the assault failed. That was one of the things the attack was trying to accomplish (kill/ imprison/ Nfect Mab) - but since they didn’t have a necro-god on their side, they were unable to fully breach the fortress - they weren’t able to get to the Wellspring before the castle defenses/ Mab/ TT Harry were able to rout the attackers. We still don’t know if any of the bones present belonged to the attacking party - Harry only comments on the goblins/ trolls.
Mab isn’t quaking in fear at the Garden because she has won at this point. If Mab has been undefended for so long, are the few minutes she spends with Harry really the opening they needed? Surely Mab travels around quite a bit especially since she’s down a WK, her #2 & her Lady has not been doing her job for 150 years. In fact her behavior with Harry during that conversation in DB seems to show that her biggest issue is curing Lea. The next time Harry actually talks to Mab, she needs a translator.
I understand the theory of how Maeve could have been behind the Fetches - it’s a good one. I just prefer the one where Mab sends them. Think about it this way - what was the point of Harry going to Arctis Tor? Kidnapping Molly & bringing her to post-devastation Arctis Tor would only serve to bring Harry & possibly her KotC father in to save her (that Charity comes instead doesn’t really change things since steel was able to neutralize some of the Fae advantage like the Swords do). How does this serve the BC? If Mab is triumphant at Arctis Tor, why is the Fetch able to do anything to Molly? Surely in the seat of her power, she could dispatch the Scarecrow with ease.
The killing of Eldest Fetch could be explained by its failure at its job as Mab’s spymaster - it failed in SK, with Lea & Maeve. Mab doesn’t abide weakness/ incompetence. If Harry is not formidable enough to take out the Fetch (he will have to battle even great foes as WK), then perhaps he is the wrong choice as Mab’s Knight.
Perhaps the Scarecrow killed Glau first because Mab knows he is the link to the BC, hence the more dangerous between him & Madrigal. Mab also doesn’t know of Harry’s allegiances fully yet - he has met with Maeve & Lily so who knows if he’s been drinking their Kool-Aid.
kbrizzle:
@nadia
Agreed on the portal. Surely a Russian wizard wouldn’t have to come to Chicago to open a way to Arctis Tor....
I do recall that WoJ about the Fetch muscling through. Wasn’t sure if Michael’s family always had angelic protection or it only started upon retirement.
@toodeep
The theory that Mab allowed the attack works much better if she’s got an ace in the hole like TT Harry.
@g33k
Agreed Elaine could definitely have done it for all the reasons you’ve listed. I’m still not convinced about her loyalties.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 12:28:27 PM ---They could have travelled through the Nevernever, or have been working with someone strong enough to put a portal wherever they liked, or had the time to set up an area specifically to have the correct resonances.
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Thus Pell's Theater.
As an aside about thresholds. If that is true then thresholds are pretty much moot at this point. What's the point?
@kbrizzle
I need to clarify something for myself before we continue. Exactly when do you think the attack took place?
--- Quote ---I understand the theory of how Maeve could have been behind the Fetches - it’s a good one. I just prefer the one where Mab sends them. Think about it this way - what was the point of Harry going to Arctis Tor? Kidnapping Molly & bringing her to post-devastation Arctis Tor would only serve to bring Harry & possibly her KotC father in to save her (that Charity comes instead doesn’t really change things since steel was able to neutralize some of the Fae advantage like the Swords do). How does this serve the BC? If Mab is triumphant at Arctis Tor, why is the Fetch able to do anything to Molly? Surely in the seat of her power, she could dispatch the Scarecrow with ease.
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I've already offered you an explanation. I'll clarify. Bringing Molly to Arctis Tor throws suspicion on Mab. It makes her look mad. Which is the narrative that Maeve will sell until she is killed. Mab is looking for footprints that will lead her to the person who got the attackers in close to Arctis Tor. She knows Lea was compromised and she suspects others. Aurora was her first shock, then Lea and finally the attack at Arctis Tor. She needs to know so she lets it play out at her fortress. Her one active move, if you believe she was behind it, was to feed Harry information through a source who Harry trusts. After that she would see it all. The attacks at the Fool Moon garage and at the Con. The phages attack on Michael's home, the location of the portal and Maeve's actions. My guess is that this is the moment when she realizes that Maeve has been compromised. There are others but for this I'll go with this.
g33k:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on May 20, 2019, 04:36:24 PM ---@g33k
Agreed Elaine could definitely have done it for all the reasons you’ve listed. I’m still not convinced about her loyalties.
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Convinced? You want to be convinced?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!
And Jim Butcher has a bridge he wants to sell you...
Seriously, I'm not gonna be "convinced" of bloody much until the Dresden Files is complete! Given the TT/MM/etc shenanigans that we are ALREADY confident Butcher will be up to, locking down the facts of who did what, and when, and why... All subject to later Big Reveal revision. All of it.
Here, have another off-the-wall theory: after loosing Michael at a mere 72 years of age, an embittered Charity takes up magic again, seeking to cheat Time and Death alike.
Kumori is TT Charity Carpenter.
Totally works! Totally.
:-X
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