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Motivation for fixing Little Chicago?
g33k:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on May 17, 2019, 04:49:52 PM ---@nadia
Sure, but if Mab has been in the Winter garden the entire time since the attack, which is supposed to have happen a while ago, she just wouldn’t have had the time to sneak into Chicago for those crucial few days.
Even if she were able to leave Faerie, my point was that she would be too busy dealing with the fallout from the attack as well as the knowledge that the Adversary has taken her top 2 lieutenants away. Where would she find the time to spy on Harry enough to know about LC & then diagnose a complex issue & fix it?
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Toot & Co are Wildfae. They may deal with either Summer or Winter; they try to stay unaligned... but they also spent most of the first few books trying not to get trapped in one of Harry'a circles. I think we can presume Mab can get anything she wants out of that crew!
We know that they regularly entered Harry's apartment, and even his lab, because they protected the cleaning-crew from the "dread beast Mister" and did general vermin-control; and Harry reflected how this was a GOOD THING because mice/rats eating some of his magical reagents would likely be a BAD THING.
So any Faerie Queen (or other potent fae) will be able to gain a full report of the inside of Harry's Place.
More likely... she could just step into the lab from the Nevernever! Lea had put up special defenses there... and Mab had personally taken over fulfilling Lea's obligations. So Mab had her own personal backdoor into Harry's lab.
As for diagnosing/fixing LC? She's Mab. She probably knows magic to AT LEAST the same degree as any Senior Council member, and she is as strong as the entire SC combined. If I had to guess, I'd guess it would take her a bit less than 1 minute to see the problem, and a few seconds to fix it.
kbrizzle:
@morriswalters
Agreed - her ability to do that was strange. Not sure if it was a Gate at work, or that she had been keeping an eye on Marcone/ the znickelheads once they entered Chicago.
@g33k
While that’s possible, I feel like it’s a little far-fetched for Mab to be using Toot & his ilk as spies. Agreed that Mab could enter through the NN, but how would she do so without Bob’s knowledge?
I would like it to be Summer also because it would show that Summer isn’t completely incompetent/ stumbling through the events from SK onwards like a petulant & naive teen.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 12, 2019, 10:01:59 AM ---Paradoxageddon occurs. Time traveler Harry knew to fix LC because, how?
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Not seeing any Paradoxageddon.
It's like... suppose a very-old TT-Harry came back... like, VERY old, looking like a 90-year-old (so like... a 500-year-old wizard? I dunno...). Ancient TT-Harry walks up to in-the-novels Harry, and shakes his hand. Because Ancient TT-Harry looks so old, in-the-novels Harry doesn't recognize himself, though he may think he looks familiar (and if it's a bare-handed shake will CERTAINLY detect a very-strong practioner-aura!).
That's it. That's everything. No punching, no setting buildings on fire. No crossing the streams. No Paradoxageddon. Harry shook his own hand.
Ancient TT-Harry remembers that (when he was younger) this weird old scary-powerful wizard (who seemed oddly familiar) walked up out of the blue and shook his hand. He realizes it was him, and so he TT's, and does the hand-shake... to PREVENT paradox, to make the timeline contiguous.
Same-same with LC: TT-Harry recalls that Bob had spotted an error, but then that LC got mysteriously fixed, realizes that HE was the mysterious fixer, and does that thing. Everyone's memory of this is the same; nothing got altered. The time-loop is without paradox.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---It's like... suppose a very-old TT-Harry came back... like, VERY old, looking like a 90-year-old (so like... a 500-year-old wizard? I dunno...). Ancient TT-Harry walks up to in-the-novels Harry, and shakes his hand. Because Ancient TT-Harry looks so old, in-the-novels Harry doesn't recognize himself, though he may think he looks familiar (and if it's a bare-handed shake will CERTAINLY detect a very-strong practioner-aura!).
That's it. That's everything. No punching, no setting buildings on fire. No crossing the streams. No Paradoxageddon. Harry shook his own hand.
Ancient TT-Harry remembers that (when he was younger) this weird old scary-powerful wizard (who seemed oddly familiar) walked up out of the blue and shook his hand. He realizes it was him, and so he TT's, and does the hand-shake... to PREVENT paradox, to make the timeline contiguous.
Same-same with LC: TT-Harry recalls that Bob had spotted an error, but then that LC got mysteriously fixed, realizes that HE was the mysterious fixer, and does that thing. Everyone's memory of this is the same; nothing got altered. The time-loop is without paradox.
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The problem is that when you can change the past, stable time loops don't work.
It's like this. There is the original timeline, iteration 1. Then someone from iteration 1 goes back in time, creating iteration 2. If the timeline cannot be changed, then iteration 1 and iteration 2 are identical, and you also end up with iterations 3, 4, 5, etc. that are also identical, as the same person from each iteration goes back in time. This is a stable time loop.
However, if the timeline can be changed, then iterations 1 and 2 cannot be presumed to be identical, so the question remains "but what happened in iteration 1?"
g33k:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on May 17, 2019, 06:51:01 PM ---@g33k
While that’s possible, I feel like it’s a little far-fetched for Mab to be using Toot & his ilk as spies. Agreed that Mab could enter through the NN, but how would she do so without Bob’s knowledge?
I would like it to be Summer also because it would show that Summer isn’t completely incompetent/ stumbling through the events from SK onwards like a petulant & naive teen.
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I could definitely see it being Summer, particularly Mother Summer or one of her agents. Elaine could have been playing a really really deep game, secretly in Mother Summer's employ, for example.
But I could also see Mab, acting as Lea-proxy to protect Harry (as Lea was sworn to do). Promises must be kept. This is IMHO the stronger case... Mab having undertaken the "godmother" protective oaths, having the existing backdoor, etc. Mab wouldn't have to be "using" the little fae "as spies" in any ongoing manner... just hauling one in to answer questions.
But it could absolutely have been Summer. In fact, there's a certain nice symmetry there: Mother Winter gave Harry an Unraveling, so Mother Summer gave him a Weaving.
I think both notions are viable. I don't see any way to rule either one out.
But if Bob could spot a Winter agent, he could spot a Summer one too. My own 1st choice for LC-repair is still TT-Harry.
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