The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Who really killed Margaret McCoy Dresden
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on April 24, 2019, 04:43:32 PM ---I’m not saying I believe that Nic killed Margaret, or the other WAGs I propose in this post, but I do think this line of thought opens up interesting avenues.
The WAG
I think it’s possible that Nic killed Maggie since he is the only other mortal-ish baddie who has access to entropy curses (Barabbas curse), as well as a “corporate sponsor” (Lucifer) to juice it up when he needs to. Eb believes that Lord Raith killed Margaret, but he also believes that she threw her death curse.
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She did throw her Death Curse. It's the reason Lord Raith can't feed. Eb was just mistaken as to the effect she had in mind.
--- Quote ---Nic knows an awful lot about Harry & Maggie (& how many kids she had). Perhaps he was also invited to the dinner thrown by Maggie & Lord Raith a century ago (or spied on it). He figures out that Maggie has a plan to birth a Starborn - tracks her down & kills her so that Harry’s most powerful parent can’t protect him anymore.
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The dinner was not "a century ago." It was right after she took up with Lord Raith, which would have been close to when Thomas was born.
--- Quote ---He has no desire to raise a child (especially with a tongue), so he figures that he’ll just get to Harry as an adult when he can lie/reason with him (something Nic is very good at & has a lot of experience doing). Nic is the only other person apart from Mab/ Lea who goes to great lengths to recruit Harry rather than kill him, which they could both have easily done.
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This makes little sense to me. Raising Harry from childhood would have been the perfect way to indoctrinate him. Waiting until he's an adult having been raised by other people only makes Nic's supposed goal here harder to obtain.
I mean, consider who is Nic's most trusted and loyal follower -- his actual daughter, who he clearly did raise and allowed to keep her tongue.
--- Quote ---I’d argue that it’s not far from Nic’s usual MO of doing whatever he wants in the middle of other people’s plans.
For example:
In DM, Marcone pays the Churchmice to steal the Shroud, Nic intercepts it. Nic also intercepts Ursharavas’ prophecy to Harry. In SmF, Nic kidnaps Marcone, but then intercepts the arbiter (Ivy) before the parley.
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As pointed out, those are his plans. All of those situations happen because Nicodemus initiated them.
groinkick:
I think the Black Council ordered Maggie's death. I don't know if Raith is part of it, or was used by them, or he wasn't involved at all. Harry needed to be removed from his parents. If Harry had been raised by his mother, and father he'd have been the equivalent to Michael Carpenter who was a Starborn wizard.
Malcolm was a man of incredible moral character, and loving father . His mother who had been somewhat of a bad character had reformed herself from the sound of it after she met Malcolm. Harry would have been guided by two loving parents, and would have been trained in wizardry by his mother, and Eb. He would have had a good experience with the White Council rather than a toxic one.
When Harry lost his parents, and taken into Justin's care he was vulnerable. He had been trained to believe that might is right, and would have been an enemy of the White Council under Justin, making him a perfect member of the Black Council.
Harry is a good guy, but he's still vulnerable to the temptation of dark magic, and still capable of going down a dark path. Mirror Mirror will point this out perfectly.
If raised by his loving parents he would have been an incredibly powerful force for good. Now that force may have been removed, and instead an incredibly powerful force for evil.
That in my opinion is why she, and his father were killed. It was done by the Black Council.
kbrizzle:
@nadia
I’m not aware of that WoJ; from the text it certainly seems like Marcone is the buyer (especially given the phone conversation in the hotel gala).
Or perhaps it’s like you say, Nic only interferes in his own plans. Perhaps Nic was a key member of the original Starborn plan (which is why he claimed to be fond of Maggie Sr). Harry found out about the Starborn thing from Lash - how would she know about the circumstances of Harry’s birth, unless maybe from Nic? Anduriel would certainly have been able to find out, & we’ve seen the Nickelheads perform extremely complex magic in the series when they needed to.
While Nic wants to recruit Harry, he’s not above killing him if Harry interferes too much in Nic’s plans. Perhaps when Maggie decided to “Bogart” the birth of the Starborn, Nic decides to punish her.
kbrizzle:
@Mr. Death
Fair enough about the dinner. Although I’m not so sure that Nic trusts anyone, including Deedee. He is also ruthless & sociopathic, so he probably didn’t want the responsibility of raising a child.
If you remember what Nic tells Harry about why he didn’t help Cassius after the events of DM - it’s because he didn’t want to “help” Cassius, since that would make Snakeboy a parasite who needs Nic’s largesse to thrive & that would be unfair to Cassius - a truly sociopathic line of reasoning. This is towards someone he has known for at least a few centuries.
In Skin Game, Nic orchestrates a false conflict to get Michael away from Deidre because he is afraid that talking to Michael would make Deedee change her mind. While he clearly loves her, he loves his convoluted end goals more since he sacrifices her to pass the Blood Gate - despite running a fanatical cult where members are proud to have their tongues cut off. He could not trust any of them to kill themselves for him, & he didn’t fully trust that his daughter would go through with it either. Not to mention the incestous undertones in their relationship - ranother thing reminiscent of Lord Raith.
The way Nic probably saw it, Thomas did not turn out to be exceptionally magical or Starborn so there was no guarantee that it would work on Harry either. After all, Maggie married a commoner with no talent (Malcolm), so why would Nic want to raise a potential dud? He has no use for such responsibilities, just as he thought when Cassius lost his coin he was of no further use to him.
kbrizzle:
@groinkick
I absolutely think that both of Harry’s parents were murdered, especially for the reasons you listed. Not sure if it was the Black Council necessarily, but certainly her enemies (which seem to have been myriad from what is said about her)
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