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Mab is Nfected question
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---And Harry rejected that offer. Did he request instruction in his counter-offer in Changes? If not, it isn't part of the deal.
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He bargained for the power to defeat the Red Court. Knowledge is power. No one said he'd lose that power after the Red Court was defeated, or that Mab couldn't give him that power after the Red Court was defeated. Mab therefore has the leeway to train him to the level he was at during Changes, only without having to achieve that level with items, based on his bargain to become the Winter Knight.
Also, there is a degree of reciprocal obligation between the Queens and their Knight which training might fall under, but we can't say one way or the other based on the text.
--- Quote ---A motivational speech is going to get Harry back into shape quicker? I don't think Harry was being a couch-potato. And if you motivate Harry to push himself too hard, that would delay his recovery.
You are right. Uriel put Harry back into his body with just enough time for him to recover to stop Maeve, and Mab pushed Harry to the limits to make sure he recovered in time by trying to kill him daily. A motivational speech was not going make Harry recover weeks sooner.
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Sorry, I was being unclear here. A motivational speech would stop Harry from objecting to being sent after fomor. To get him in shape faster, Mab would have to heal him (it's stated in Cold Days that part of how the Winter Knight mantel works is that it doesn't heal it's bearer, just holds them together until the Queen can heal them--which implies that Mab has the ability to heal Harry) or bend time (which, in the heart of her domain, shouldn't be a ridiculously huge deal, especially just in a couple of rooms).
--- Quote ---Mab also wanted Molly to run into Ramirez. That was a double training opportunity.
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Fair enough.
I still think Mab should send him on a mission to rescue kids or something, though. (Or at least, if she wants him to hate her less she should. Since she does not want that, it makes sense that she never sends Harry on missions he'd be happy about.)
morriswalters:
I think Mab could care less if anyone likes her. She cares that her allies are powerful and willing to do the work that needs to be done.
g33k:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 06, 2019, 07:31:05 PM --- ... I still think Mab should send him on a mission to rescue kids or something, though...
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Mab wants Harry stronger, harder. He's already too soft, too weak, too ruled by his emotions. Feel-good missions are about as likely as Harry winning the lottery.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I think Mab could care less if anyone likes her. She cares that her allies are powerful and willing to do the work that needs to be done.
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The problem is that for Harry, "willing to do the work that [someone tells him] needs to be done," correlates pretty strongly with how much he likes the person telling him. If the Merlin tells Harry that "A" needs to be done, he's way more likely to decide that, no, actually "B" needs to be done than if Michael tells him that "A" needs to be done.
--- Quote ---Mab wants Harry stronger, harder. He's already too soft, too weak, too ruled by his emotions. Feel-good missions are about as likely as Harry winning the lottery.
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Stronger and harder, I'd agree with. Ruled less by his emotions, maybe not so much. After all, the only reason he became the Winter Knight is because of how much he is ruled by his emotions. And Harry is at his strongest and hardest while protecting/avenging either innocents or those he cares about--if Mab wants him to be more like that, then a good first step would be throwing him into situations where he's naturally inclined to be on a more regular basis.
g33k:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 07, 2019, 03:02:06 PM ---Stronger and harder, I'd agree with. Ruled less by his emotions, maybe not so much. After all, the only reason he became the Winter Knight is because of how much he is ruled by his emotions.
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Yes; a poor choice of words on my part!
Say rather, Harry is too often softened by his emotions. He chooses softer approaches, is gentler, kinder... warmer. Not what Mab wants in her Winter Knight.
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