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Mab is Nfected question
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on April 28, 2019, 05:06:03 AM ---We also have WoJ that Mab considers the defense of the Outer Gates to be the most important thing in her life. I believe Jim says that Mab would sacrifice herself, every human & Fae if she thought it would win her the war against the Outsiders. In Cold Days, she kills her daughter because she stands in the way of that goal.
If Mab knew she were Nfected, she would remove herself immediately, whether or not Molly is fit to be Queen. I suppose it’s possible that she doesn’t know, but as others have pointed out, what would be the point of that? It’s been played out
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Well, no. Murphy kills her daughter. Had Mab zapped her when she was called, Molly never would have become the Winter Lady, Sarissa would have. Mab couldn't, this is explicit in the text.
However that doesn't make Mab infected. She more than anybody has reason to fear just that and has an ally whose express purpose is to prevent just that kind of problem. The Gatekeeper.
kbrizzle:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 29, 2019, 11:05:56 AM ---I think she'd weigh the risks. If she were certain that she could hold out for, for example, 5 years, then I'd think she'd stick around for 4 to make sure things transitioned well and that she'd wrapped up any unfinished business that might cause trouble for her successor (like paying off old debts to inconvenient people).
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Would she really be able to quantify the length of time she could hold out? Like the Senior Council going through every little decision they’d made over the last few years after finding out that Peabody has been drugging the ink (perhaps a series of subtle, gentle nudges into making decisions advantageous to the Black council instead of the WC), I don’t think Mab would be able to trust herself if she knew she were Nfected.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 29, 2019, 02:20:18 PM ---Well, no. Murphy kills her daughter. Had Mab zapped her when she was called, Molly never would have become the Winter Lady, Sarissa would have. Mab couldn't, this is explicit in the text.
However that doesn't make Mab infected. She more than anybody has reason to fear just that and has an ally whose express purpose is to prevent just that kind of problem. The Gatekeeper.
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Good point about the Gatekeeper & his good relations with Mab. Although I disagree about the Murphy bit - Mab expressly orders Harry to kill Maeve - just because she couldn’t bring herself to do it doesn’t mean she didn’t arrange for it to happen. While Murphy pulls the trigger, it is Mab who breaks the ice enough for the former to break free & shoot Maeve.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Would she really be able to quantify the length of time she could hold out? Like the Senior Council going through every little decision they’d made over the last few years after finding out that Peabody has been drugging the ink (perhaps a series of subtle, gentle nudges into making decisions advantageous to the Black council instead of the WC), I don’t think Mab would be able to trust herself if she knew she were Nfected.
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I think it's a somewhat different situation. The Senior Council didn't know what was happening until after the fact, and therefore had no chance to defend against it. If Mab knew that she was Nfected from the time it happened, I believe that between her and the Gatekeeper she could put up shields around the part of Nemesis in her, and between her and the Gatekeeper they could tell when and at what rate they were eroding.
It's not quite the same situation, but Harry managed to put up shields to mostly block out Lasciel's shadow that held for a time, and the power differential between Harry and Lasciel is slanted way more against Harry than the power differential between Mab and Nemesis.
For that matter, having both other queens of winter Nfected seems like the kind of thing that would let Mother Winter interfere at least obliquely, so she might have given Mab/arranged for Mab to get a shield that would last X amount of time and told her that she had to handle the Maeve problem before then.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: narphoenix on April 26, 2019, 11:12:04 PM ---I don't agree that it added nothing to the story at all: it was a theory that clearly originated from Maeve, and demonstrates an action that Maeve is taking to undermine Mab. Its place in the story isn't a random worry: it's deliberate malfeasance on the part of an enemy.
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Plausible v. necessary. It is a plausible story line for Maeve to accuse Mab and for Harry to investigate, but it wasn't necessary as a plot device to drive Harry's actions in CD. It may just be filler story for entertainment purposes, but it may also have been misdirection.
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on April 28, 2019, 05:06:03 AM ---We also have WoJ that Mab considers the defense of the Outer Gates to be the most important thing in her life. I believe Jim says that Mab would sacrifice herself, every human & Fae if she thought it would win her the war against the Outsiders. In Cold Days, she kills her daughter because she stands in the way of that goal.
If Mab knew she were Nfected, she would remove herself immediately, whether or not Molly is fit to be Queen. I suppose it’s possible that she doesn’t know, but as others have pointed out, what would be the point of that? It’s been played out
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I disagree 100%. If Mab knew she were Nfected, she would remove herself when the risk that Nemesis would be able to corrupt her exceeds the risk that Molly's inexperience would lead to a serious blunder. Mab probably knows to the day, hour, minute and second how long she can withstand Nemesis and she won't act to remove herself earlier than necessary.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I disagree 100%. If Mab knew she were Nfected, she would remove herself when the risk that Nemesis would be able to corrupt her exceeds the risk that Molly's inexperience would lead to a serious blunder. Mab probably knows to the day, hour, minute and second how long she can withstand Nemesis and she won't act to remove herself earlier than necessary.
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This. Rashid even mentions in Cold Days that a reorganization at the Outer Gates, such as that caused by Mab's death, would be a serious problem at present.
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