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Another Cowl Theory
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: groinkick on April 09, 2019, 05:33:54 PM ---One thing that supports your argument is the duel between Cowl, and Dresden. According to Jim those on the Senior Council would stomp Harry pretty easily. So it wouldn't be someone as strong as say Eb. I don't even think Cowl is as strong as Morgan, based on the duel. Cowl does appear to surpass Harry's magical experience in other instances though....
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We don't know how tired Cowl might have been from other work before confronting Harry over the Erlking book, so I don't really agree with ruling Simon out just because he didn't wipe Harry out with his first shot. Maybe he was just sandbagging with the force blasts rather than use his best earth-based strikes - he could have been nervous Harry being blasted into a crater would have drawn Ebenezar to drop other matters and investigate.
kbrizzle:
I’ve posited in the other post about Justin being Cowl that Simon is simply the best candidate instead. If Justin is Cowl, he had Bob uninterrupted for more than a decade at least. Why didn’t he perform the Darkhallow at any point during this time? Simon on the other hand, tries to perform the Darkhallow a few years after his “death”.
As a Senior Council member older than Eb, Simon is likely more powerful; explaining how he was able to hit Harry harder than Eb ever had. Paolo Ortega (likely Nfected) led the charge to destroy Archangel. Simon had excellent relations with the vampire courts - Cowl is allied with Red Court & interferes in the White. Mavra clearly didn’t want Cowl (or the other 2) becoming necromantic gods.
Yuillegan:
@kbrizzle,
See my other response to your post about Justin vs Simon as a candidate. Just wanted to add that while the fact that Simon being older would explain how strong he was...Harry honestly had no idea just how powerful Eb or even Leah was. He even said that Eb had only hit him in practice rounds. Now I think for the drama of the scene, that exposition by Harry was necessary. However we must remember that Eb blew the top of El Castillio with a word, and also caused Krakatoa, Tunguska etc. Seriously, had Eb hit Harry properly Harry would have died. Especially as some punk in training, let alone by the time he gets to Dead Beat. Leah slaughtered two Lord of the Outer Night in a moment. They were taken off guard, but I really think Harry had never properly dueled either of them and so his claim was misleading. Not to mention that while Harry may have fought Justin in earnest, he lost twice and we have no idea how he won the third round. Harry doesn't even talk about it. So I find a lot of Harry's earlier power rankings more than a little dubious. In saying that, Cowl is still likely seriously strong. JB wrote that scene to showcase Cowl so I imagine he was trying to show him a serious threat. So he may be stronger than the others, in fact we have almost never seen him go all out on assault. Every time he has been defeated it was almost just dumb luck while he was distracted.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on April 28, 2019, 05:00:46 AM ---I’ve posited in the other post about Justin being Cowl that Simon is simply the best candidate instead. If Justin is Cowl, he had Bob uninterrupted for more than a decade at least. Why didn’t he perform the Darkhallow at any point during this time? Simon on the other hand, tries to perform the Darkhallow a few years after his “death”.
As a Senior Council member older than Eb, Simon is likely more powerful; explaining how he was able to hit Harry harder than Eb ever had. Paolo Ortega (likely Nfected) led the charge to destroy Archangel. Simon had excellent relations with the vampire courts - Cowl is allied with Red Court & interferes in the White. Mavra clearly didn’t want Cowl (or the other 2) becoming necromantic gods.
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I'm not sure Simon was actually older than Eb. Arthur Langtry and Ebenezer are both over 300 years old, and the two of them are about the same age (they met when they were both 16). Ebenezer either strongly implies or states outright that he's simply never sought a seat on the Senior Council before because he wasn't interested. He only does so in Summer Knight (according to his words and Harry's interpretation at the time, which is perhaps biased considering he doesn't even know that he's the Blackstaff at this point) in order to protect Harry from the White Council vote.
From what I can tell, there's no indication of how old Simon was when he "died." For all we know, he could've been Luccio's age.
None of this is stating one way or another which one is older, only that it isn't confirmed in the series or by any Word of Jim I know about. I don't think it much matters for purposes of this conversation, though; I really, really, really, really, really doubt Ebenezer actually hit Harry with anything close to even fifteen percent of his power, ever. According to Harry, Eb didn't really give him much magical instruction anyway, so much as gave him the whole "With great power, comes enormous pains in your ass, and you're going to have to make sure you don't go psycho and murder or enslave a ton of people, otherwise you and I are both going to be killed by the wizard police. So quit your whining and learn how to ride this horse" bit instead.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: groinkick on April 09, 2019, 05:33:54 PM ---I think this also shows that Cowl probably wouldn't be Simon, who as a member of the Senior Council wouldn't have difficulty with Harry in a duel. Morgan seemed to think it impossible for Harry to beat Justin in a duel meaning he probably had a deal of respect for Justin. That says Justin was probably a heavy hitter himself. That could be a strike against Justin being Cowl even though Harry did apparently beat him in the past. Justin if he survived would have another 10 - 15 years to get stronger, and more experienced as well making him tougher to deal with.
There is another possibility. Cowl was sick, dying, or weakened (recovering from injuries) during the duel with Harry. Either that or he telegraphed his shots at Harry to scare Harry with dangerous spells while at the same time winding up so Harry could avoid being killed by them. Cowl "swaying" after using a spell does make me wonder about his power level though
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Another thought I just had. Justin or Simon could be body-snatchers like Corpsetaker. If they were forced to take a body of limited means they could still be attempting to return to their full power.
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