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Nemesis and Hecate

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exartiem:
If Hecate is the three winter queens, then what triple goddess makes up the Summer queens?

That would be my guess for Nemesis (the goddess).  If she wanted revenge/balance with Hecate, then she might split herself in three to counter her.

Side thought:  what if the Greek Goddess Nemesis is called that because she was the first deity Nemfected?  What if there is a connection beyond just the name?

Yuillegan:
Hank, the tiers are rather broad I grant you - but they had to be as we only have a few distinct cosmic power levels in the Dresdenverse (Creator, Archangel/Major God, Minor God etc). I am not sure what you mean about the Creator gods not being peers to each other or a monotheistic deity...at different times in history, ancient mythologies were the dominant religion of certain regions. I will grant you there has never been the scale of worship to the Abrahamic God, but that is a factor of population growth more than increased levels of worship (indeed, religious belief is shrinking in most parts of the world).

Exartiem, I wasn't really arguing that Hecate was only the three Queens of Unseelie. She was likely a being that was three parts, then split again and became six parts (Summer and Winter). Why she had to split into Summer and Winter is unknown, but I wonder if it was because the fae were already seasonal based, and in order to become a part of them that was required?

I do agree that it is no mere coincidence that Nemesis (the Outsider, the Adversary) shares the name as another minor greek goddess, when Hecate seems to be the ruler of fae. Maybe she was the first infected. Maybe Nemesis and Hecate were powerful Witches who ruled like gods in Atlantis, a la Hellboy. Maybe it will be like the Chronciles of Amber and there is a Prime/Base reality that all the powerful gods etc come from, which is where Hecate and Nemesis come from except Hecate joined the DV version of the Courts of Chaos.

I certainly expect Jim to pull a fast one on us.

kbrizzle:
I like the central premise of the argument. So if we extrapolate & say that Thor & Indra are the same base thunder god, just different regional/ cultural/ religious avatars, then Hecate is just the Greek avatar of the global goddess of magic.

So while Hecate is a minor goddess in the Greek & Norse (Atropos & Skuld - Norse Fates) pantheons, as the base goddess of magic, she is also simultaneously worshipped as Isis, Kali or the Celtic triple goddess (Eiru being one of them, & whom Ireland is named after), so she is tremendously powerful.

A WAG about Hecate is that some of her avatars can be extrapolated to be the base mother goddess - as MS tells Harry in CD - he hasn’t gotten fundamental enough in guessing their true name. It is likely Mother Nature.

Separately, the goddess Nemesis is the daughter of Oceanus, the ancient Greek god of the river that separates the habitable world from the Underworld & Elysium. He also has the lower body of a serpent or dragon. He is re-branded as a river god Titan in Classical Greek mythology & made a son of Uranus (Zeus’ grandfather) & Gaia. Perhaps he is the progenitor of the Fomor? I like the idea of Nemesis being Nfected as well.

segaily:
I do not find it hard to believe that Hecate could have grown greatly in power while so many more major old gods faded away.  We know that belief has a lot of power.  People stopped believing in Zeus so he faded.  Maybe Hecate had an advantage in that all she needed was for people to believe in magic not her directly for her to gain in power or it could be that wizards know she was around and respected her more then the other old gods and it was enough for her power to continue to grow as all the others faded.       

kbrizzle:
@segaily
I’m not sure if belief in magic in general would empower Hecate much - if that were the case, Mab now would be much weaker than she was a few hundred years ago. I think the belief has to focused towards one of Hecate’s avatars like Isis or Kali.

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