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If the Council had tried to execute Molly in Proven Guilty...
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---You are misrembering.
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You're right. My bad.
--- Quote ---I didn't ask you how the plot would change, I asked you how the plot was served. The plot was a quest to save Molly. Here was the promise to Charity. Molly forever a fugitive and almost certainly a warlock seems to not fulfill that promise.
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I'll be honest here, I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying that the plot only works if Harry succeeds unproblematically? In my scenario, Harry makes an objectively awful choice in order to attempt to fulfill his promise to Charity. This spurs character development, conflict, and new directions for the plot to go, all of which I gave examples of. I'm not sure what you mean by "serving the plot" if it isn't that.
Also, I'm not sure why you think that Molly would "almost certainly [be] a warlock." Harry certainly wouldn't decide to just throw out the laws of magic just because the Council is trying to kill them, and he's probably still her teacher.
forumghost:
Personally I feel like if Harry had gotten desperate he'd most likely have tossed Lily his shiny new pin and been like "Favour: get us out of here!"
Then Lily Nevernever's him and Molly to, I dunno, China or something and they go on the run.
Now, might he have called on Lasciel if he were cornered and it came down to a fight? Perhaps. He's been tempted before. But I don't think so. It would take a lot to make him that desperate, and as much as he wanted to save Molly (and if possible himself) I don't know that he'd go that far just yet.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Personally I feel like if Harry had gotten desperate he'd most likely have tossed Lily his shiny new pin and been like "Favour: get us out of here!"
Then Lily Nevernever's him and Molly to, I dunno, China or something and they go on the run.
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That's a good point!
--- Quote ---Now, might he have called on Lasciel if he were cornered and it came down to a fight? Perhaps. He's been tempted before. But I don't think so. It would take a lot to make him that desperate, and as much as he wanted to save Molly (and if possible himself) I don't know that he'd go that far just yet.
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Yeah, I figure the odds of him doing it are something like 30-40% at most. I just really want to read a longer story where Harry takes up Lasciel's coin, and I think this is a better starting place for it than White Night (by that point, picking up a coin would mean killing Lash (who Harry seems to care about)).
Seriously, I can only remember three fanfics that have Harry picking up Lasciel's coin, and while they're excellent, one is a fairly short one-shot, one appears to have been abandoned, and one seems to update super-slowly (if it's not abandoned too) and Harry only picked up the coin at the end of what's posted.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 05, 2019, 01:19:21 AM ---You're right. My bad.
I'll be honest here, I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying that the plot only works if Harry succeeds unproblematically? In my scenario, Harry makes an objectively awful choice in order to attempt to fulfill his promise to Charity. This spurs character development, conflict, and new directions for the plot to go, all of which I gave examples of. I'm not sure what you mean by "serving the plot" if it isn't that.
Also, I'm not sure why you think that Molly would "almost certainly [be] a warlock." Harry certainly wouldn't decide to just throw out the laws of magic just because the Council is trying to kill them, and he's probably still her teacher.
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The plot as stated was to keep Molly from being Proven Guilty. Serving that plot would be a change that achieves the same endpoint.
If you want to write a book called Harry goes on the Lamb with Molly, that's well and good. In your book he would lose both sources of his income, his business and his warden paycheck. Making Harry and Molly homeless, not to mention under a sentence of death. Not a good place to be in for a teacher or a student. I assume Murphy would take his pets and clean out his apartment. Harry has so much junk at the hacienda. Swords, skulls and LC. At least his landlady won't get burned out.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---The plot as stated was to keep Molly from being Proven Guilty. Serving that plot would be a change that achieves the same endpoint.
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So what you're saying is that the plot is only served if the good guys win. I disagree with this.
--- Quote ---If you want to write a book called Harry goes on the Lamb with Molly, that's well and good. In your book he would lose both sources of his income, his business and his warden paycheck. Making Harry and Molly homeless, not to mention under a sentence of death. Not a good place to be in for a teacher or a student. I assume Murphy would take his pets and clean out his apartment. Harry has so much junk at the hacienda. Swords, skulls and LC. At least his landlady won't get burned out.
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Actually, one's been written: Fight and Flight by TheRedPoet. You can find it at Archive of our Own. You should read it. It's really good! I just wish it had more Lasciel in it (the premise is that Harry does a runner when he realizes that the Merlin has 6 votes, rather than my suggestion of him picking up Lasciel's coin). Things work out fairly well for Molly, actually--Harry doesn't have a job, so with nothing to distract him he notices how much of a problem her sensitivity is an works out how to train her how to deal with it.
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