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Kathleen Dante:
In the Calderon map, the causeway is supposed to lead to Garrison. In FoC, it says, "The rear gates of Garrison stood open, and the causeway wound across the Valley and up to them."
When Tavi emerged from the barrens onto the causeway in FoC, he was "several miles west of the lane to Bernardholt." Currently, you have the barrens northeast of Bernardholt. Also, I got the impression that the barrens weren't between Garados and Bernardholt. When Tavi went to Amara's aid, Garados was close enough for Amara to suggest they seek shelter on Garados (apparently closer than the Princeps' Memorium which was about a mile away).
Possibly, the causeway "circles" the Valley on the way to Garrison with only spur lanes (roads) leading to the various holts.
belgarion:
Taking a look and see what I can come up with :)
Mikey
--- Quote from: Kathleen Dante on December 25, 2007, 01:06:06 PM ---In the Calderon map, the causeway is supposed to lead to Garrison. In FoC, it says, "The rear gates of Garrison stood open, and the causeway wound across the Valley and up to them."
When Tavi emerged from the barrens onto the causeway in FoC, he was "several miles west of the lane to Bernardholt." Currently, you have the barrens northeast of Bernardholt. Also, I got the impression that the barrens weren't between Garados and Bernardholt. When Tavi went to Amara's aid, Garados was close enough for Amara to suggest they seek shelter on Garados (apparently closer than the Princeps' Memorium which was about a mile away).
Possibly, the causeway "circles" the Valley on the way to Garrison with only spur lanes (roads) leading to the various holts.
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belgarion:
Quote from: Kathleen Dante on Today at 06:06:06 AM
In the Calderon map, the causeway is supposed to lead to Garrison. In FoC, it says, "The rear gates of Garrison stood open, and the causeway wound across the Valley and up to them."
When Tavi emerged from the barrens onto the causeway in FoC, he was "several miles west of the lane to Bernardholt." Currently, you have the barrens northeast of Bernardholt. Also, I got the impression that the barrens weren't between Garados and Bernardholt. When Tavi went to Amara's aid, Garados was close enough for Amara to suggest they seek shelter on Garados (apparently closer than the Princeps' Memorium which was about a mile away).
Possibly, the causeway "circles" the Valley on the way to Garrison with only spur lanes (roads) leading to the various holts.
Ok. So far on page 33 of CuF, Bernard asks Tavi which direction they should look for Dodger, and replies North (Bernard agrees). "..Dodger has taken them into the pine hollows over the causeway." eg pine hollows are north of causeway and Bernardholt
On page 38, Bernard and Tavi are standing on the bridge talking to Isana through Rill, and Tavi " shot an uneasy glance to the northeast, where the towering mountain of Garados sat glowering down on the inhabitants of the Calderon valley"
eg. Garados is Northeast of Bernardholt.
On page 54, they followed the trail through the pine barrons, and Tavi "ignored the glowering presence of the mountain." This is when they catch up to Dodger and his flock. eg Garados was still ahead of them
I found a reference about when Tavi found Amara. On page 99,
"Tavi bit his lip, looking down the causeway toward his home and safety -- then facing the opposite way, toward the cry for help. He took a shaking breath and turned west, away from his home, ..." eg implies that Amara was west of Bernardholt.
On page 102, the place where he finds Amara is a mile from the Princeps Memorium. "Then he (Tavi) turned his back on the looming shape of Garados and started off into the darkness" eg. the Memorium is S/SE/SW.
I'm trying to square all this in the map. It's definitely confusing, at least to me.
I'm going to continue to look at it. Maybe a light bulb will come on.
Mikey
--- Quote from: belgarion on December 25, 2007, 09:55:28 PM ---Quote from: Kathleen Dante on Today at 06:06:06 AM
In the Calderon map, the causeway is supposed to lead to Garrison. In FoC, it says, "The rear gates of Garrison stood open, and the causeway wound across the Valley and up to them."
When Tavi emerged from the barrens onto the causeway in FoC, he was "several miles west of the lane to Bernardholt." Currently, you have the barrens northeast of Bernardholt. Also, I got the impression that the barrens weren't between Garados and Bernardholt. When Tavi went to Amara's aid, Garados was close enough for Amara to suggest they seek shelter on Garados (apparently closer than the Princeps' Memorium which was about a mile away).
Possibly, the causeway "circles" the Valley on the way to Garrison with only spur lanes (roads) leading to the various holts.
Mikey
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Kathleen Dante:
--- Quote from: belgarion on December 26, 2007, 01:12:11 AM ---On page 38, Bernard and Tavi are standing on the bridge talking to Isana through Rill, and Tavi " shot an uneasy glance to the northeast, where the towering mountain of Garados sat glowering down on the inhabitants of the Calderon valley"
eg. Garados is Northeast of Bernardholt.
I'm trying to square all this in the map. It's definitely confusing, at least to me.
I'm going to continue to look at it. Maybe a light bulb will come on.
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A couple more details to add to the pot:
The north bridge over the Rill where Bernard and Tavi talk to Isana is a footbridge for the lane heading north that connects Bernardholt to the causeway. It isn't a part of the causeway. On p.33, they're on a winding lane On p.35, Tavi follows Bernard "on down the road ... toward the causeway".
On p.46, Isana in the kitchen at Bernardholt crosses to the northern window and eyes the mountain peak to the north.
On p.62, the cry of the second herdbane comes from the trees to the west of them, up the slope (of Garados). The pine barrens apparently run from the causeway to part of the way up the slopes of Garados and east of the mountain.
It's possible that the lane first runs on a northwesterly route from Bernard's steadholt to the Rill, then northeast from the north bridge to where it connects with the causeway somewhere near the pine barrens and some miles east of Garados.
belgarion:
--- Quote from: Kathleen Dante on December 26, 2007, 07:00:01 AM ---A couple more details to add to the pot:
The north bridge over the Rill where Bernard and Tavi talk to Isana is a footbridge for the lane heading north that connects Bernardholt to the causeway. It isn't a part of the causeway.
On p.33, they're on a winding lane
On p.35, Tavi follows Bernard "on down the road ... toward the causeway".
On p.46, Isana in the kitchen at Bernardholt crosses to the northern window and eyes the mountain peak to the north.
On p.62, the cry of the second herdbane comes from the trees to the west of them, up the slope (of Garados). The pine barrens apparently run from the causeway to part of the way up the slopes of Garados and east of the mountain.
It's possible that the lane first runs on a northwesterly route from Bernard's steadholt to the Rill, then northeast from the north bridge to where it connects with the causeway somewhere near the pine barrens and some miles east of Garados.
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on 62 it really doesn't say Garados, it just says "A high, whistling screech came from the trees to the west of them, up the slope."
on 66 "The Marat rose and began to stalk southward after Tavi's wounded uncle."
on 66 "Tavi ran west to lead them away from his uncle."
Ok. So, taking all Kathleen's comments about the initial part of CuF, I made a tentative map,
Map of Calderon Valley revised 12/26/07
On Flicker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21582563@N03/2140031846/
I didn't put in the Rillwater yet. I'm after thinking it's due east of Bernardholt. The problems I'm starting to come up with are the geographical relationships that occur later in the book. Tavi and Fade get captured by the Marat and taken past Aldoholt on the way to the horto. It implies there is more than one way into the valley other than through the Garrison. It's also a long way from the Rillwater to the Garrison end of the valley.
See what you think.
And I haven't forgotten about AWW's comments, I just haven't gotten to them yet since they deal with the Alera Map vs the Calderon Valley. I'll have to search through the pdf file I created of all the comments from the first thread:)
Mikey
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