The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
If the Denarians are trapped in Demonreach...
groinkick:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on March 26, 2019, 05:32:26 PM ---No, the job of the Knights is explicitly to save the Denarians--stopping them from hurting people is what they do when they fail to save them.
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No..... If this were the case killing them would not be an option, and it is. Michael wasn't out there searching for Denarian's to save. He went out there by TWG's directive and fought baddies of all kinds. When he faced Denarian's he gave them the option to repent.
If the job of the Knight was to save the Denarian's he would have been out a lot more trying to save them when in fact the majority of the time he wasn't even fighting them but other things. Outsiders, vampires, demon's, ghosts, and a Dragon are just some examples of his missions.
--- Quote ---Also, they picked up the coin by their own choices, so we know that "they made a choice" is not necessarily going to release the Knights from their responsibility to help them.
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Again, they don't seek them out to help them. I don't recall a single time that a Knight's only objective was to locate a Denarian for the sole purpose of saving them. In every case I can remember it was because the Denarian was doing something bad, and the Knight showed up to #1 stop them from doing it, #2 save the person if possible. The first objective has always been to stop the Denarian.
I see no reason why they would show up to rescue a Denarian from Demonreach if they screwed up bad enough to end up there. Unless the person repented, and TWG knew it and wanted them to remove the Coin from the prisoner. Other than that a Knight isn't going to care if the Denarian is locked up.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 26, 2019, 03:16:08 AM ---I agree more or less with your points except the last one, because it is hinted at that there are beings and or monsters just as powerful locked away on Demonreach.. Harry may be mistaken
but he seems to feel that the artifacts are safe locked away on Demonreach.. He wouldn'd do that if he thought a Fallen Archangel could get to them.. Then again the artifacts though powerful are not possessed by a fallen angel, that might make a difference, or not depending on where the coins were deposited.
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I don't believe there is anything locked up even remotely as powerful as an Archangel. A dark god for example is what Cowl would have become from a Darkhollow. That's nothing compared to an Archangel.
So if the Coins are supposed to be in circulation as Jim has said, I'm thinking that keeping them out of Demonreach isn't a big deal. There does seem to be a set of real rules in place that even the Archangels need to follow. I'm not saying that a Denarian could escape Demonreach. I'm saying that Lucifer would keep them out, or get them out (the Coin, not the person holding it).
TWG is THE power in the stories. Jim flat out said that TWG put a wall between the Outsiders and Earth realm and put the rules in place that only mortals using free will can let them in. That means He is above them in power. If not He couldn't stop them. So in my opinion TWG, and Archangel's are on just another cosmic scale than anything else in the story
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't believe there is anything locked up even remotely as powerful as an Archangel. A dark god for example is what Cowl would have become from a Darkhollow. That's nothing compared to an Archangel.
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I'm not so sure about that... But we can agree to disagree..
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---No..... If this were the case killing them would not be an option, and it is. Michael wasn't out there searching for Denarian's to save. He went out there by TWG's directive and fought baddies of all kinds. When he faced Denarian's he gave them the option to repent.
If the job of the Knight was to save the Denarian's he would have been out a lot more trying to save them when in fact the majority of the time he wasn't even fighting them but other things. Outsiders, vampires, demon's, ghosts, and a Dragon are just some examples of his missions.
Again, they don't seek them out to help them. I don't recall a single time that a Knight's only objective was to locate a Denarian for the sole purpose of saving them. In every case I can remember it was because the Denarian was doing something bad, and the Knight showed up to #1 stop them from doing it, #2 save the person if possible. The first objective has always been to stop the Denarian.
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Um...no, actually, you're wrong. Michael says so.
Small Favor:
--- Quote ---Michael shook his head. "Brother, you forget our purpose. We are not given our power so that we can strike down our enemies, no matter how much they might deserve it. Our purpose is to rescue the poor souls trapped by the Fallen."
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Avernite:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on March 26, 2019, 07:15:24 PM ---Um...no, actually, you're wrong. Michael says so.
Small Favor:
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Michael says so, Sanya doesn't seem to be entirely in agreement. Who do we trust?
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