The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
If the Denarians are trapped in Demonreach...
Mira:
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I am under the impression that the Knights' job is to "rescue the poor souls trapped by the Fallen" in Michael's words. I also believe that their secondary purpose is to protect the innocent as directed to by TWG, as evidenced by the many times we see them do that.
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No, it is not, they do protect the innocent when they can and when it coincides with what their mission. That is why they walked away after Cassius gave up his coin even though Harry argued he was still a murderous bastard with Cassius gleefully agreeing that he was until Harry took a baseball bat to him.. That is why Murphy told Harry she could never be a Knight save for the one Knight she was one... Using her own judgement she couldn't let the Denarians just walk away after they had given up a coin and surrendered... She judged, not the Almighty, that is why she broke the Sword when she tried to kill Nic with is after he gave up his goodies.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---No, it is not, they do protect the innocent when they can and when it coincides with what their mission. That is why they walked away after Cassius gave up his coin even though Harry argued he was still a murderous bastard with Cassius gleefully agreeing that he was until Harry took a baseball bat to him.. That is why Murphy told Harry she could never be a Knight save for the one Knight she was one... Using her own judgement she couldn't let the Denarians just walk away after they had given up a coin and surrendered... She judged, not the Almighty, that is why she broke the Sword when she tried to kill Nic with is after he gave up his goodies.
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Did you notice the word "secondary"? I'm not saying that they will do so at the expense of their primary mission, which is saving Denarians. I'm saying that they do protect the innocent in situations unrelated to Denarians, and attempt to protect the innocent from Denarians. This is why Michael helps SI kill a demon and arrest a sorcerer, why Michael works with Harry to stop harmful ghosts, why all three Knights work to stop Nicodemus from unleashing the plague curse, why Shiro rescues Harry from Nicodemus, why all three Knights help to rescue Maggie from the Red Court...I'm sure you get the idea.
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on March 24, 2019, 02:21:34 PM ---Did you notice the word "secondary"? I'm not saying that they will do so at the expense of their primary mission, which is saving Denarians. I'm saying that they do protect the innocent in situations unrelated to Denarians, and attempt to protect the innocent from Denarians. This is why Michael helps SI kill a demon and arrest a sorcerer, why Michael works with Harry to stop harmful ghosts, why all three Knights work to stop Nicodemus from unleashing the plague curse, why Shiro rescues Harry from Nicodemus, why all three Knights help to rescue Maggie from the Red Court...I'm sure you get the idea.
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So what? That doesn't mean they lock up coin holding Denarians on Demonreach.. That seems to be the point of the thread.. The answer is they don't.... Do they help sometimes in going after other "enemies" of the Almighty? Yes, but that still doesn't prove that they lock up Denarians on Demonreach... Or deposit the coins there, if that were true, they would have handed over the lot the collected when they helped Harry rescue Ivy to Alfred, who failed to come forward... More to the point the Denarians wouldn't have been allowed on Demonreach in the first place after they kidnapped Ivy... Or even more to the point if they knew there were fellow coin holders in lock up, don't you think they would have freed them?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote --- So what? That doesn't mean they lock up coin holding Denarians on Demonreach.. That seems to be the point of the thread.. The answer is they don't.... Do they help sometimes in going after other "enemies" of the Almighty? Yes, but that still doesn't prove that they lock up Denarians on Demonreach... Or deposit the coins there, if that were true, they would have handed over the lot the collected when they helped Harry rescue Ivy to Alfred, who failed to come forward... More to the point the Denarians wouldn't have been allowed on Demonreach in the first place after they kidnapped Ivy... Or even more to the point if they knew there were fellow coin holders in lock up, don't you think they would have freed them?
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Sorry. I thought you were responding to my post saying one of their jobs was to protect the innocent.
That said, I think you somewhat misunderstood the topic of this thread. It is not claiming that the Knights lock Denarians up in Demonreach currently; it is proposing a hypothetical where the Warden might lock up Denarians in Demonreach in the future, and wondering if that would be a problem for the Knights. It also contains a detour dealing with why the Knights weren't willing to hat up and rescue Marcone at the beginning of Small Favor, given that it appears to be within their job parameters and it would have saved a lot of trouble.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on March 24, 2019, 03:09:11 PM ---Sorry. I thought you were responding to my post saying one of their jobs was to protect the innocent.
That said, I think you somewhat misunderstood the topic of this thread. It is not claiming that the Knights lock Denarians up in Demonreach currently; it is proposing a hypothetical where the Warden might lock up Denarians in Demonreach in the future, and wondering if that would be a problem for the Knights. It also contains a detour dealing with why the Knights weren't willing to hat up and rescue Marcone at the beginning of Small Favor, given that it appears to be within their job parameters and it would have saved a lot of trouble.
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So I looked up the relevant passage, and I think Michael is a bit more nuanced than we are discussing, his only SPECIFIC explanation is (SF chapter 15):
"You want to talk to them?" I asked Michael. "You've got to be kidding me."
"I didn't say that," Michael replied. "But I will not set out to simply murder them and have done. It's a solution, Harry. But it isn't good enough."
Seems to me he doesn't reject hunting them so much as the apparent subtext of setting out to kill them.
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