The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
morriswalters:
I am not apportioning culpability, I'm making a moral statement. Both Harry and Susan, by the precepts that Harry espouses, should have maintained a higher standard. In sports they would call Maggie an unforced error. Harry has powerful enemies and the very act of being around him puts you at hazard. He can't afford to be the guy that forgets to put on a raincoat because of a little vampire venom.
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on March 17, 2019, 08:22:12 PM ---I think I can go so far as to say that if you are not ready to have kids, you should make sure you don't have any. So the parents are responsible for harm that comes to the kid and harm that comes from the kid. For example if Maggie had turned warlock. Also following your great power great responsibility argument.
But at any point in Harry's life from now and untill he is dead he will have dangerous enemies. Does that mean he should never have kids? Should Ebenezer (or any other combat active wizard) never have had any?
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That's impossible to say, each individual has to make that decision. But if you make a conscious choice to have a child, you will at least be able to plan for the risks, as far as is possible.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 17, 2019, 08:50:42 PM ---I am not apportioning culpability, I'm making a moral statement. Both Harry and Susan, by the precepts that Harry espouses, should have maintained a higher standard. In sports they would call Maggie an unforced error. Harry has powerful enemies and the very act of being around him puts you at hazard. He can't afford to be the guy that forgets to put on a raincoat because of a little vampire venom.
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Calling Maggie an unforced error seems to be a rather strong judgement by itself. You might (to stick with the sports analogies) also call her a lucky goal instead.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 17, 2019, 08:50:42 PM ---I am not apportioning culpability, I'm making a moral statement. Both Harry and Susan, by the precepts that Harry espouses, should have maintained a higher standard. In sports they would call Maggie an unforced error. Harry has powerful enemies and the very act of being around him puts you at hazard. He can't afford to be the guy that forgets to put on a raincoat because of a little vampire venom.That's impossible to say, each individual has to make that decision. But if you make a conscious choice to have a child, you will at least be able to plan for the risks, as far as is possible.
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Under normal circumstances you wouldn't get much argument... But Maggie wasn't conceived under normal circumstances.. Harry was wounded, the scent of his blood aroused Susan's hunger both for Harry's blood and sex... In turn her venom had a hypnotic effect on Harry sexually arousing him, not to the point where he was about to totally surrender his life for sex, but he wasn't in any shape to fight it either.. Do not project rational or moral judgement onto this scene, it isn't fair..
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 17, 2019, 09:19:44 PM ---Calling Maggie an unforced error seems to be a rather strong judgement by itself. You might (to stick with the sports analogies) also call her a lucky goal instead.
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Unless you of course were the foster parents and their children.
--- Quote from: Mira on March 17, 2019, 09:50:15 PM ---Do not project rational or moral judgement onto this scene, it isn't fair.
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All right.
TrueMonk:
I dont think we will get any further in regards to Maggie.
But in regards to Diedre/Susan symmetry. As I remember it Harry also lied by indicating she would be protected from the knife by her fairy armor, even though he she would not be. That does sound a bit like Nic saying the enemy cannot get you here.
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