The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 15, 2019, 11:19:50 PM ---They weren't two 16 year olds in back of the minivan. That seven minutes cost one family everything, and almost destroyed Molly. Not to mention all of the human sacrifices that took place to set up the ritual. And if memory serves me correctly Harry had to plan to make a restraint that could hold Susan(Death Masks). Something about unicorn hair. Original idea courtesy of Molly, I believe, who suggests using handcuffs. And Harry had nightmares that revolved around what might happen, thus the rope.
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Yeah, he was afraid she'd eat him.. I agree they weren't sixteen, but do not underestimate the power of the vamp venom... Fear of being killed trumps responsible birth control I think, so rope over condom.. No excuses though I agree, but age had nothing to do with it, lots of "adults" turn up pregnant. I doubt that either one of them even thought of the possibility that she might get pregnant, it wasn't their first sexual encounter after all.. So either they were very lucky before she was half turned and went away, or at least one of them was being responsible..
morriswalters:
This is a direct response to the moral claims and the idea of symmetry between Harry and Nic. That people get get together and make babies is no surprise to me, but if you do it, then irrespective of why or how, you own it. Everything that happens at Chichen Itza is on Harry and Susan. Had there been no child, there could have been no blood curse as portrayed in the book. At least Nic has a plan, however twisted it appears to be.
TrueMonk:
I really do not understand the argument about the act of them having a baby meaning that they are responsible. So two people love each other. They get a baby. A horrible monster kidnaps the baby and wants to use it for a bloodline curse.
How does that become the parents fault? Yes there was some details in between with Harry not knowing he was a father and the kid not living with either of them. But how does it make them more responsible for the whole situation at C.I. than if they had been living together (Susan, Harry and Maggy in Chicago)? If it does not thenn by your arguments every parent who has their child kidnapped and used for a blood curse is somehow responsible?
Also I get that the ideal scenario would be to post quotes and page numbers to support theories and ideas. But I listen to the books. So if I had to do that I would just have to stop posting on the boards (or buy the books only for the purpose of posting here and that is not going to happen)
morriswalters:
It's one thing for Susan and Harry to say, let's have a child, and then plan for that. It's an all together different thing to have a child by accident. In Harry and Susan's case, she is a half turned vampire involved in a guerilla war and Harry is a wizard who has been attacked multiple times at his home. It is so dangerous for the child, that Susan fosters her out. Before everything is said and done, the foster family is brutally murdered. And perhaps hundreds are killed at CI as the Reds prepare the curse.
The events of the book were generally foreseeable. Not the bloodline curse specifically, but that the Reds would use the child in some fashion if they became aware of her. Harry after the event hides her from the White Council for fear that they would use her as well. And Harry has hid the fact of the existence of his brother for the same reasons. Harry got careless about risks he was aware of and others had to pay. That doesn't make him evil, but he can't escape the responsibility.
On the subject of page numbers and quotes, use them if you have them, but don't sweat it if you don't. Do the best you can do and have fun.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---It's one thing for Susan and Harry to say, let's have a child, and then plan for that. It's an all together different thing to have a child by accident. In Harry and Susan's case, she is a half turned vampire involved in a guerilla war and Harry is a wizard who has been attacked multiple times at his home. It is so dangerous for the child, that Susan fosters her out. Before everything is said and done, the foster family is brutally murdered. And perhaps hundreds are killed at CI as the Reds prepare the curse.
The events of the book were generally foreseeable. Not the bloodline curse specifically, but that the Reds would use the child in some fashion if they became aware of her. Harry after the event hides her from the White Council for fear that they would use her as well. And Harry has hid the fact of the existence of his brother for the same reasons. Harry got careless about risks he was aware of and others had to pay. That doesn't make him evil, but he can't escape the responsibility.
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I think it's more Susan's fault than Harry's. Sure, he got careless, but he had every reason to expect that if Susan did get pregnant, she would tell him. He might have some responsibility, but I'd give him 10% to Susan's 90%.
How he reacted to his daughter being in danger is a different issue.
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