The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
Mira:
--- Quote ---This makes no sense. It's Harry that didn't care about the consequences of his actions, not Nicodemus. The difference between Nicodemus and Harry is the difference between first degree murder and 2nd/3rd degree murder (I'll look up legal codes when I'm not in class).
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Planning is everything.... That what Death Masks is all about, Nic knew very well what he was going
to bring about, and he had goals... Yes, and this is why context is very important, forgive my poor spelling, but it doesn't change what I said... Also one tends to say a lot of things when one is upset or frustrated...
One might have been said in the emotion of the moment.... Let the world burn, I am going to do what I need to do to save my daughter... However I do like the world and I do care for the people like Molly who live in it.. However I am upset..
Let the world burn because I really don't care about it and if little Maggie inherits ashes that's perfectly fine...
Let the world burn because I really hate it and want it to burn, saving my daughter is a good excuse....
Saying, "let the world burn," really murder? Now giving an old man the plague so he might infect a whole city or worse could be considered, committing... Is there a difference between saying and committing?
Mira:
--- Quote ---IF Nicodemus was truly saving the world with the sacrifice of Deirdre, rather than merely furthering a quest to power, I would say he has a claim to it simply being one of those hard calls. Harder than Harry's sacrifice of Susan, sure, but what is one daughter against all the children that will ever be?
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Oh I'd agree, but it is a matter of point of view isn't it? Nic claims to be saving the world, but we have no clue as to what his vision of a saved world would be... Despots have murdered for thousands of years and one of their common excuses for it is making the world safe.... The question then becomes for what or whom?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Planning is everything....
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No, planning is one component. I can plan meticulously how to blow up the White House, but if I don't then do so then I have done nothing wrong.
--- Quote ---That what Death Masks is all about, Nic knew very well what he was going
to bring about, and he had goals...
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This is why what Nicodemus did is the equivalent of (attempted) first degree murder.
--- Quote ---Yes, and this is why context is very important,
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If it were important, you would have provided it. If you can't actually refute my argument, feel free to say so rather than bringing up specious and unsupported points.
--- Quote ---forgive my poor spelling, but it doesn't change what I said...
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I never claimed it did.
--- Quote ---One might have been said in the emotion of the moment.... Let the world burn, I am going to do what I need to do to save my daughter... However I do like the world and I do care for the people like Molly who live in it.. However I am upset..
Let the world burn because I really don't care about it and if little Maggie inherits ashes that's perfectly fine...
Let the world burn because I really hate it and want it to burn, saving my daughter is a good excuse....
Saying, "let the world burn," really murder? Now giving an old man the plague so he might infect a whole city or worse could be considered, committing... Is there a difference between saying and committing?
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If all he did was say it, no. The issue is that he said "let the world burn," and then followed through on that.
peregrine:
But later, we see the difference between "let the world burn" and "let Molly burn."
He said that, and he did that, but that's because he was being an idiot without really thinking about what that would actually mean.
morriswalters:
Cut to the chase. Had Harry learned basic reproductive physiology there would have been no Maggie to have to rescue. This would be first cause. If Susan had to die it was this choice, made by the two of them, that set it up. Once there, given the setup, it would have been morally suspect if he hadn't killed Susan.
--- Quote from: peregrine on March 15, 2019, 09:08:16 PM ---But later, we see the difference between "let the world burn" and "let Molly burn."
He said that, and he did that, but that's because he was being an idiot without really thinking about what that would actually mean.
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Precisely!
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