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groinkick:
Harry asked Uriel to tell him something useful, and that's what he told him.  It popped up in an earlier book as well, Fool Moon.

Harry was sleeping, and his subconscious was talking to him.  When Harry tried to avoid him, he got the same line.  Do you think that Jim just wanted to use the line, or do you think they are connected at all?   

Mira:

--- Quote from: groinkick on January 24, 2019, 08:37:39 PM ---Harry asked Uriel to tell him something useful, and that's what he told him.  It popped up in an earlier book as well, Fool Moon.

Harry was sleeping, and his subconscious was talking to him.  When Harry tried to avoid him, he got the same line.  Do you think that Jim just wanted to use the line, or do you think they are connected at all?

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  They are connected in my opinion because it means you cannot change who you really are no matter where you go.  If I remember correctly that is what the debate between Harry and his subconscious was all about.  That is what Uriel was also telling him,  Mab can do all kinds of stuff to him but she cannot change who he is.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Mira on January 24, 2019, 10:07:25 PM ---  They are connected in my opinion because it means you cannot change who you really are no matter where you go.  If I remember correctly that is what the debate between Harry and his subconscious was all about.  That is what Uriel was also telling him,  Mab can do all kinds of stuff to him but she cannot change who he is.

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Oh you can change who you are, that is the point of free will. Otherwise the knights wouldn’t try to help the denarian hosts for example. This is the councils view who definitely think one can not change oneself and so kill warlocks on sight.

This is about free will, it won’t change if you are in a different situation. You are still responsible for your own choices. Harry still has choices to make and those choices are what changes you.

That is how Uriel thinks about it.

Salusen:
I think that Jim was foreshadowing future events in Harry's life.

That line in Fool Moon was a foreshadowing of Harry's struggles with the Winter Mantle in later books. And I think it ultimately points to a greater sacrifice in Harry's life.

I mean, come to think of it, Jim's made a few spider-man references in the Dresden Files. And it got me thinking that maybe the reason Harry's getting all these sudden huge power-ups and finding out these revelations about his parents and the circumstances of his birth mean that he's got this huge responsibility that he has to fulfill somewhere in his future. With great power comes greater responsibility and all that.

So Uriel tells Harry that, because at some crucial point in a fight somewhere he's supposed to remember those words and make the right choice.

WYDT???

Mira:

--- Quote from: Arjan on January 24, 2019, 11:55:02 PM ---Oh you can change who you are, that is the point of free will. Otherwise the knights wouldn’t try to help the denarian hosts for example. This is the councils view who definitely think one can not change oneself and so kill warlocks on sight.

This is about free will, it won’t change if you are in a different situation. You are still responsible for your own choices. Harry still has choices to make and those choices are what changes you.

That is how Uriel thinks about it.

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No, you can move, where you go, that's free will... But who you really are?  No, that's part of your DNA.   The Knights are not trying to change who the Denarians are, they are trying to free them to make better choices.. 

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