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The Nature of the Creator

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Mira:

--- Quote ---Most creation stories I'm the least bit familiar with begin with chaos or chaos imagery (as interpreted by Carl Jung). Water is often interpreted to represent chaos. I've seen that interpretation as far back as the 6th century B.C., and I've never been into that whole literary interpretation scene. That would make the Genesis creation story one of "out of chaos, order."
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Out of chaos, order isn't all that far from the current scientific explanation, commonly known as" the big bang theory... "

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Serack ---Derivative theory:  Some version of TWG (The White God) is the Creator, and thus was a ROL, and either he immediately created subordinates to populate/help create creation, or he brought subordinate outsiders along as fellow rebel outsiders to help.
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I'm good with TWG being the Creator but don't immediately see why TWG would be a ROL.

Avernite:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 19, 2019, 09:33:33 PM ---Most creation stories I'm the least bit familiar with begin with chaos or chaos imagery (as interpreted by Carl Jung). Water is often interpreted to represent chaos. I've seen that interpretation as far back as the 6th century B.C., and I've never been into that whole literary interpretation scene. That would make the Genesis creation story one of "out of chaos, order." There's also one I remember from elementary school, so I could be remembering it completely wrong, from a Native American tribe about a turtle's back being the first piece of land when all the earth was water.

Here's a piece from Jung's wikipedia page:
So, if we believe Jung, there are certain images and ideas that are universally human. Therefore it wouldn't surprise me if Jim ended up with a lot of the same things. In fact, it would surprise me if he didn't. (That is, if I was one to recognize all that stuff. When reading, I prefer not to bother with analysis beyond "what does this mean for the story"). I mean, he would almost have to in building a world that allows a place for all those stories from so many varied cultures, and, what with him being a human and being subject to the same universal human psychology.

Getting back to the whole chaos point, while the Outsiders do have a great deal of order (they all act as one), they also have a lot of chaotic elements. They are associated with water. Chuthulu and other tentacled horrors associated with the Outsiders arising from the oceans. Most of the Outsiders we've seen on the Inside have actually been in the water (attacking Demonreach). They lack symmetry. Nemesis allows, perhaps compels, things to act against their nature.

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Eh, I'd say the Bible is much less like that. It posits 'in the beginning God (or the Lord of the Gods) created the heavens and earth' not 'in the beginning was water/chaos'. Mind I might be overly literal here, but the Judaic version starts with the Creator clearly pre-existing (because He could do things, like creating or being Lord) while the Greek starts with just Chaos. As a result the Genesis version to me describes whoever created as a distinct being, possibly from Chaos but not necessarily.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Avernite on January 20, 2019, 09:36:36 AM ---Eh, I'd say the Bible is much less like that. It posits 'in the beginning God (or the Lord of the Gods) created the heavens and earth' not 'in the beginning was water/chaos'. Mind I might be overly literal here, but the Judaic version starts with the Creator clearly pre-existing (because He could do things, like creating or being Lord) while the Greek starts with just Chaos. As a result the Genesis version to me describes whoever created as a distinct being, possibly from Chaos but not necessarily.

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I like to go back further, like how did He,She, or It come into being to create all this stuff to begin with?

Mr. Death:
This is a WAG on my part that I don't have much, or any, real support for, but I think the DF universe's creator is this guy named Jim that lives in Missouri.

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