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Is there a point in time Harry was forced against his will?

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peregrine:
Uriel certainly thought that his Free Will was abrogated when Lasciel lied to him.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: peregrine on January 17, 2019, 01:54:32 AM ---Uriel certainly thought that his Free Will was abrogated when Lasciel lied to him.

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That's true but I'm talking more about if his Name was used to control him.  A hypothetical example.  When Nicodemus tossed the Coin into the yard.  Harry admitted that he wanted to pick up the Coin, he was tempted by it.  However if a wizard had used his Name, and told him to pick it up, his free will would have been violated but because a wizard had done it, the Angel's couldn't balance the scales.  He would have remembered wanting to pick it up even if it wasn't really the case, he'd been made to want to pick it up. 

Mira:

--- Quote from: groinkick on January 17, 2019, 05:12:19 AM ---That's true but I'm talking more about if his Name was used to control him.  A hypothetical example.  When Nicodemus tossed the Coin into the yard.  Harry admitted that he wanted to pick up the Coin, he was tempted by it.  However if a wizard had used his Name, and told him to pick it up, his free will would have been violated but because a wizard had done it, the Angel's couldn't balance the scales.  He would have remembered wanting to pick it up even if it wasn't really the case, he'd been made to want to pick it up.

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 Nic knows this as well.  This is why he set Harry up or took advantage of the situation..  He knew that Harry would never under most circumstances pick up the coin of his own free will... However he knew that Harry would sacrifice himself to save an innocent child by picking it up..  Harry for whatever reason didn't use his head and avoid physical contact with it or to simply pick up little Harry so he wouldn't touch it... However at that point in time there was a level of arrogance and ignorance in Harry, he thought his will was strong enough to overcome the influence... In the end it was true, but it was close.  If he knew what he knows now about the coins, I doubt he would have touched in the first place.

wardenferry419:
I think sub-Harry was a big factor in Harry with the coin.

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