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Christmas Eve from JB's Twitter (no news, just fun)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 01, 2019, 06:27:37 AM ---Then again, Harry is spending Christmas at Michael's place with his family.. Not unusual to visit with
your dog, but not your cat.. Harry never took Mister with him visiting before. Even when he stayed at Michael's house for days or weeks when wounded, Mister stayed at home. So why would he bring him for a holiday stay? I don't think much can be read any significance in Mister's absence as confirming or not Murphy's survival in Peace Talks.No? Hmmmm, what about getting the snot kicked out of her by Nic and a Holy Sword broken because she thought she knew what best to do and wouldn't listen to reason?
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That is quite unfair. Harry did not give advice for obvious reasons and Karen is no dummy, she had at least some idea why Harry was keeping secrets and she followed his example. She had to sort it out in her own.
And so she did. She could have spoiled things in all kind of ways if she had not followed Harry’s example without asking questions. She showed a lot of trust actually something Butters lacked.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 01, 2019, 06:27:37 AM ---No? Hmmmm, what about getting the snot kicked out of her by Nic and a Holy Sword broken because she thought she knew what best to do and wouldn't listen to reason?
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We've been over this a hundred times, and that had nothing to do with her being "bull headed" or not listening to reason.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 01, 2019, 01:45:03 PM ---We've been over this a hundred times, and that had nothing to do with her being "bull headed" or not listening to reason.
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No? But saying the Sword shouldn't be used, then hiding it and using for the reasons she said it
shouldn't be used sort of qualifies.... Doing because she loves Harry sort of makes it okay, but shows bad judgement... So what makes you think that this time around with everything on the
line like is sounds like it's going to, she is just going to say home and nurse her wounds? Especially if Harry is in grave danger, which sounds like he is going to be, if she can, she will be at his side...
But for the record, I said that she was one of three possible to die that would affect Harry in terms of
grief.. Michael would be a forth, but we know from the story he didn't die.. The only reason he hasn't gone completely off the rails like he did after Susan was half turned and left, is little Maggie. Yes, the thousands hurt and dead that he feels personally responsible for in typical Harry fashion accounts for some of it, but the break down of weeping says someone close died... Very close, that puts Murphy on the list, unless you no longer think she is close to Harry? Eb is on that list, Thomas is on that list, that is the first tier, the vision/flashback of blood on asphalt relates to one of these loved ones in my opinion verses a general slaughter.. Though is sounds like there was a lot of that.
--- Quote ---That is quite unfair. Harry did not give advice for obvious reasons and Karen is no dummy, she had at least some idea why Harry was keeping secrets and she followed his example. She had to sort it out in her own
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But she didn't, she went against her own advice... Apples and oranges as far as the keeping secrets example goes.. Harry's main excuse and it has proved to be a poor one is he wants to spare his friends... Not exactly clear why Murphy thought hiding the Sword would spare anyone.. She proclaimed she wasn't a Knight beyond that one night, had no interest in being a Knight, claimed
bringing it on that mission would put it in danger... Hiding it didn't change any of those facts... Kind
of like a dieter sneaking food or a alcoholic drinking secretly, it doesn't change the fact that food was eaten or there had been a fall from the wagon.....
The excuse for bringing the Sword has been Murphy's emotional feelings for Harry... So I ask you this, do you really think she'll stay home if she believes she can help Harry even if she isn't a hundred percent? But set that aside, say she is a hundred percent, if she goes out to face the danger, she could be killed, the same goes for Thomas or Eb... Any of those three would leave a
hell of a hole in Harry's heart..
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 31, 2018, 11:55:43 PM ---Ah, but since when did something like a bum knee stop Murphy when Harry and mankind is on the line? If things get bad enough, and it looks like they will, someone will have to lock her up in a cell, tie her down and throw away the keys... Because you know how bull headed she can be, and if she thinks she can make a difference no matter how small or illogical her thought process, she will be
there. If she is, and if she gets killed in the process, the impact will be very hard on Harry.
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Murphy isn't Superwoman and any number of things are hard on Harry. The Timeline is fairly explicit. She is injured(ACL) in February and Peace Talks happens in June or shortly thereafter. Four months. There is bullheaded and there is stupid. But of course she could strap her P90 to her cast and totter to the scene of the action in her wheelchair. ;)
What I've been doing is looking at Chicago on Google Earth, and have decided that if I were in Chicago when the peace talks occur I would avoid the Burnham Harbor area at all costs.
You have the Shedd Aquarium, the Field Museum, Soldier Field, the Alder Planetarium, Burnham harbor, Lakeshore Center, South Beach and miscellaneous other family venues that might be packed on a sunny day in June. It strikes me as a tens of thousands killed and injured place.
edit.
I have also had a vision where JB channels the Kurt Russel version of the Gunfight at the OK Corral. That precise moment when Doc Holliday winks and things go to hell.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 01, 2019, 03:41:44 PM ---No? But saying the Sword shouldn't be used, then hiding it and using for the reasons she said it
shouldn't be used sort of qualifies.... Doing because she loves Harry sort of makes it okay, but shows bad judgement... So what makes you think that this time around with everything on the
line like is sounds like it's going to, she is just going to say home and nurse her wounds? Especially if Harry is in grave danger, which sounds like he is going to be, if she can, she will be at his side...
But for the record, I said that she was one of three possible to die that would affect Harry in terms of
grief.. Michael would be a forth, but we know from the story he didn't die.. The only reason he hasn't gone completely off the rails like he did after Susan was half turned and left, is little Maggie. Yes, the thousands hurt and dead that he feels personally responsible for in typical Harry fashion accounts for some of it, but the break down of weeping says someone close died... Very close, that puts Murphy on the list, unless you no longer think she is close to Harry? Eb is on that list, Thomas is on that list, that is the first tier, the vision/flashback of blood on asphalt relates to one of these loved ones in my opinion verses a general slaughter.. Though is sounds like there was a lot of that. But she didn't, she went against her own advice... Apples and oranges as far as the keeping secrets example goes.. Harry's main excuse and it has proved to be a poor one is he wants to spare his friends... Not exactly clear why Murphy thought hiding the Sword would spare anyone.. She proclaimed she wasn't a Knight beyond that one night, had no interest in being a Knight, claimed
bringing it on that mission would put it in danger... Hiding it didn't change any of those facts... Kind
of like a dieter sneaking food or a alcoholic drinking secretly, it doesn't change the fact that food was eaten or there had been a fall from the wagon.....
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Skin game was different. The secrecy was because Anduriel listened to everything. Karen understood when Harry told her that it was not to protect her but himself and she followed Harry's unspoken advise. References to earlier cases where Harry kept secrets to protect other people are not to the point.
That is why Murphy had to solve everything on her own and that is why comments about her not taking advise are unfair. She had taken Harry's advise.
--- Quote ---The excuse for bringing the Sword has been Murphy's emotional feelings for Harry... So I ask you this, do you really think she'll stay home if she believes she can help Harry even if she isn't a hundred percent? But set that aside, say she is a hundred percent, if she goes out to face the danger, she could be killed, the same goes for Thomas or Eb... Any of those three would leave a
hell of a hole in Harry's heart..
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She brought the sword to have the option available which is not wrong. She either could find a situation where she could use it or could give it to someone if the occasion demanded it. The sword had to be there she just did not know what to do with it.
The sword had to be there. Her emotions colored how she used it but she had no real choice at that moment. We have discussed this endlessly but the alternative was a dead Harry or Waldo, she saved a life and the sword was fixable.
She was there because Harry asked her. Harry is not going to ask her for peace talks after what happened in Skin Game so the whole question is moot.
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