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Some thoughts on the vampire courts

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morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Avernite on December 28, 2018, 08:39:43 AM ---Eh, I'm not looking for connections between the Whites and Winter. I am lookingfor 'if I had to group the supernatural baddies of the world into separate containers, would I make a container for the Red and White court together?'
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Susan and Thomas are very much the same in terms of their abilities.  She prior to the full change, he after the full change.  In both cases the change to full vampire requires a fatal feeding.  JB even describes the effects of hunger in a very similar fashion.  Susan's eyes turning black, Thomas's silver.  The Red's could almost be a mutation of the Whites.  Vamps ver. 2.0.  On the other hand calling the Black's vampires confuses the issue since they appear to be a completely different thing.  And who knows about the
Asian cohort.

toodeep:
It has been a view of mine that all the vampire courts started by welding a spirit from the never-never onto the spirit of a human to give that human extra power.  So there were two variables - 1. what kind of spirit was attached to the human and 2.  what exact contract/mechanism of attachment was used. 

The progenitor of the white court (i.e. first human attached to a hunger demon) made probably the best "deal" in that he/she received immortality but stayed primarily in control of their fate.  The progenitor of the red court probably only meant to become a half-rampire - the immortality and strength goodness, but still in control but messed up with the deal to some extent making it that the spirit took control if they actually killed - and thus the rampire was born.  The Black progenitor (Dracula) probably messed up the worst, since apparently the spirit is in control and the host is dead.  My first thought was that maybe the first black court vampire was created by a failed attempt by a well meaning person to resurrect someone but apparently that is not the case.  Maybe Dracula made the deal as a way of "faking his death" i.e. he made the deal, got "killed" and thought he would come back in control animated by the spirit but that probably didn't work they way he meant it to.

kbrizzle:
I’m not sure I see the similarities between the White & Winter courts. The denizens of the Winter Court do not have free will & no parasite that I know of. In addition, one of the main purposes of Winter is to guard reality, the Whamps seem to just prey on humans to survive, which is what makes them vampiric. I’m also not sure that the only way Winter Fae can procreate is with humans - Toot doesn’t seem like he would have a human parent.

@Snark Knight
Oh I’m sure that was part of why Goodman’s shaggy dad impregnated the human, but we’ve seen that powerful immortals often do things for multiple reasons. Otherwise we’d see a lot more scions since these creatures enjoy hurting humans but do not always impregnate their quarry.

@Avernite
I believe they are grouped as vampires because they are all former humans with differing levels of being melded with their symbiote. Whamps still have a soul, it’s murky whether a Red can be soulgazed & I’m pretty sure Blamps cannot. All 3 also need humans to survive - they are their primary food source - I don’t believe we have been introduced to other creatures that are of definite human extraction that need to feed on humans to survive.
Also, I believe the swords have 3 Latin names even though they seem to differ in design - Amoracchius, Fidelacchius & Esperacchius. It is mentioned that Fidelacchius was re-melted into a katana at some point.

@morriswalters
I would believe that a high level Whamp like Thomas would be more powerful than a half-turned Ramp, but it’s an interesting observation (their power levels seem to be similar).

@toodeep
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how it went at first - but the pattern of each court moving further away from human has a unique symmetry that seems meaningful

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 28, 2018, 01:18:56 PM ---In both cases the change to full vampire requires a fatal feeding.

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That's not necessarily the case. See Bigfoot on Campus.

morriswalters:
Well, ya got me.  But he is a scion, right?

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