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Any news on Peace Talks
Dina:
I didn't know all that, Mira. I've never watched B5 so I don't know much about its stars, but I usually read news about actors and things like that. I completely missed that story.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 22, 2018, 12:57:08 PM ---No, you are mistaken about B5.. The first season was never meant to stand alone.
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No, I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I didn't say the first season of Babylon 5 was meant to stand alone. I said some episodes; perhaps more specifically, the main story told within specific episodes, had little or nothing to do with Babylon 5's overarching story arc. Even show creator J. Michael Straczynski used to talk about episodes as being arc and non-arc stories. Below is a quote from JMS made during B5's first season about an episode that was accidentally shown out of its intended order during the season.
"Through a miscommunication, Warners thought TKO was in the slot in which we'd placed Quality [of Mercy], so that went out to TV Guide, and it's now too late to change the order back. Doesn't matter; neither are really arc-stories, though it was hoped to hold back some of Susan's development in TKO just a tad longer."
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/014.html
IMO, TKO was one of the weaker first season episodes. At least the Alpha story about the human boxer who came to Babylon 5 to enter a martial arts contest no human had ever been allowed to participate in before. (That idea sounds so much better than it actually was.) The Beta story about Commander Ivanova denying the grief she felt after her father's death gave the character more depth, but also had little to do with B5's overall arc.
The episode Quality of Mercy had three distinct stories, none of which related to the overall story arc. What was great about each of those stories is they all introduced elements that would be used in later, sometimes much later, episodes in the show. There was the alien machine that could cure people of any illness by taking the life energy from another person, which Marcus used to save Ivanova's life in Season 4. Lennier lied to protect Centauri Ambassador Londo's personal honor after Londo caused a fight in a bar when he was caught cheating at poker. That became important because most people thought the Minbari never overtly lied. In a later episode a Minbari lying to protect another person's personal honor was an important plot point. Telepath Talia Winters had to mind scan a convicted murderer to confirm his guilt before the legal sentence of having his mind and personality wiped was carried out. That came back in the episode; a really good one, about the priest who starting having terrible dreams about murdering women.
Now I bet if you rewatched those two episodes you could find a scene or even two, in each episode where some point was made, or piece of information was revealed that related to the overall story arc or hinted at an important upcoming story arc development, but none of the individual stories within each of the two episodes I mentioned were part of the main story arc of the Babylon 5. (Damn, I've got to re-watch that series now.)
HistoryDave:
Hello all: just thought I would do my quarterly check on the progress of "Peace Talks". Over the past couple of years I have had the pleasure of reading the entire "Sharp's rifles" series, the Patrick Rothfuss books (also in a holding pattern, and several non-fiction historical works. My heart keeps returning to Jim Butcher. Maybe it's time to catch up on the Raymond Feist universe in Midkemia?
I hope Jim gets his life and motivation redirected back to the Dresden Files. The latest news sounds promising but we are looking at a long wait. I will be back in about three months. I love JB and this forum. Bye for now.
Dina:
See you in a while :D
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on December 23, 2018, 09:54:06 PM ---I didn't know all that, Mira. I've never watched B5 so I don't know much about its stars, but I usually read news about actors and things like that. I completely missed that story.
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Because Mr O'Hare wanted it that way, and JMS kept his promise, he only revealed it a couple of years after Mr O'Hare's death. At the time the fans were in quite an uproar over him leaving the show, the story told to the public was that he wasn't a big enough star so was replaced. We know now that Mr O'Hare was suffering from hallucinations at an increasing rate and severity, it is a miracle that he was able to finish the season at all. Tragically like many suffering from his form of mental illness he went off his meds which of course made things worse.
Yes, JMS did talk about some of the stories not being part of the arc, but again some of that was a cover story because some episodes had to be changed because of Mr O'Hare's health. That might be why they seem a bit weak compared to the rest of the season. Yeah, you should watch it again, I did recently and it is amazing how well it holds up.
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