The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Any news on Peace Talks
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Kindler on April 04, 2019, 07:14:25 PM ---Well, yeah, they've gotten their butts handed to them when we've seen them fight characters with Plot Armor. I'm just judging from the information we got between Ghost Story and Skin Game, which kinda indicated that the Council was scrambling, to the point that they pretty much ignore North America to maintain order in Europe (with the exception of Bill, Carlos (currently out of action), and maybe another warden or two I can't remember).
Regardless, I phrased it poorly; I didn't mean that the Council was losing , especially not open confrontations. I meant that the Council was fighting a war of attrition, and not doing great. I mean, one dead wizard is more of a blow than, what, a hundred dead Fomor servitors? I don't know how many of them there are, I'm just going based on Fantasy Rules (for every "hero," there are approximately one quadrillion orcs/goblins/Red Court Vampires/Lilliputians.)
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I have the feeling the White Council got too much used to major battles; especially Proven Guilty implied that the Red Court fought them en-masse. So a Wizard would be on his guard only occasionally for a period of utter chaos, and then go back to some semblance of normality.
And I think it's also where the Council's main strength is - bring your army to the battlefield the Council knows about, and they can prepare the magic to utterly wipe the floor with you. So noone who has an army wants to annoy them (much).
But the Fomor are fighting a guerilla war, and that requires constant vigilance and a desire to always go out there and kick the Fomor back. We see Marcone and Lara Raith (intelligent and adaptable operaters) struggle with it, so imagine what a bunch of hidebound conservatives would have to do?
This also means the victories of 'normals' against the Fomor are less impressive than otherwise would be the case - the moment a Fomor operation is known about by their enemies is the moment they have already half-lost, and smart Fomor operators start running (of course, the examples shared make it clear that such smarts aren't always in evidence).
Fcrate:
Do not forget that the Fomor aren't fighting a war, per se. They're heavily recuiting, and accepting casualties while doing so. They're kidnapping as many people as possible with a low-class magical talent. Even to the point of trading one higher-class talent for two of the low-class. This means that they're turning them, and they care more about numbers than talent. All they're doing so far is preparing for the big fight to come.
morriswalters:
If they are not fighting a war, why is the book called Peace Talks? And if they are poor fighters, why the supposedly high body count in the Christmas story? Fighting a conventional war is one thing, but they haven't shown any desire to do so. But they have shown the will to use weapons of mass destruction. It looks to me the Jim is going to try and deliver a sucker punch based on our expectations. It's been driving me nuts as to why he killed off the Reds and replaced them with the Three Stooges. It was late in the game to do it and it doesn't play well with me. There has to be something more to it.
Gman:
I think the Fomor are loosing lots of minions and rarely powerful Fomor. The White Council has few minions and lesser allies. So the White Council could be taking losses in much lower numbers but can't afford to lose 20 wizards to 500 minions and the Fomor count themselves ahead. Nemesis could be influencing some of the Fomor leaders so they are doing things not in their long term interests. Look what the Red Court did. They got themselves wiped out. The Black Council (Team Outsider) is trying to get the local major powers to fight each other and weaken or destroy each other. The White Council was supposed to be wiped out or crippled and the Red Court weakend. It was mentioned that the good guys took lots of losses in Peace Talks, perhaps the Fomor are now crippled and no longer a major player.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Avernite on April 13, 2019, 05:54:18 PM ---I have the feeling the White Council got too much used to major battles; especially Proven Guilty implied that the Red Court fought them en-masse. So a Wizard would be on his guard only occasionally for a period of utter chaos, and then go back to some semblance of normality.
And I think it's also where the Council's main strength is - bring your army to the battlefield the Council knows about, and they can prepare the magic to utterly wipe the floor with you. So noone who has an army wants to annoy them (much).
But the Fomor are fighting a guerilla war, and that requires constant vigilance and a desire to always go out there and kick the Fomor back. We see Marcone and Lara Raith (intelligent and adaptable operaters) struggle with it, so imagine what a bunch of hidebound conservatives would have to do?
This also means the victories of 'normals' against the Fomor are less impressive than otherwise would be the case - the moment a Fomor operation is known about by their enemies is the moment they have already half-lost, and smart Fomor operators start running (of course, the examples shared make it clear that such smarts aren't always in evidence).
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I think that what happened is the White Council suffered some big losses during the war with the reds. They have been weakened, thus making their fight with the Fomor a more difficult one. A good example is the Captain of the Wardens had her power placed in a weaker individual, and she can no longer forge the powerful swords the wardens carry. Morgan, one of their greatest Wardens was killed. Archangel, and the Brute Squad were all slaughtered.
So they lost some heavy hitters, and that's not including all the people they lost to the Reds. A White Council at full strength would be less vulnerable to the Fomor, and their tactics I think.
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