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Red Court/The Eebs question...
dspringer1:
They are also clearly described as "not being of the blood". I always interpreted that as not sharing the bloodline of the Red King. The bloodline curse was not described as a curse that killed all red court vampires. It was a curse that killed all blood relations of Susan -- the brand new red court vamp. That ended up killing a lot of red court vamps because they were related by blood to Susan. If there are Red Court Vampires that do not share a blood link with Susan, then they would not have been harmed by the curse.
That implies pretty strongly that the Ebs were NOT killed by the bloodline curse, although spending a few centuries being tortured by goblins is nto what I would call an "upside".
Starjammer05:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on November 09, 2018, 12:22:25 AM ---They are also clearly described as "not being of the blood". I always interpreted that as not sharing the bloodline of the Red King. The bloodline curse was not described as a curse that killed all red court vampires. It was a curse that killed all blood relations of Susan -- the brand new red court vamp. That ended up killing a lot of red court vamps because they were related by blood to Susan. If there are Red Court Vampires that do not share a blood link with Susan, then they would not have been harmed by the curse.
That implies pretty strongly that the Ebs were NOT killed by the bloodline curse, although spending a few centuries being tortured by goblins is nto what I would call an "upside".
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All the Red Court are blood relations in that the vampire curse comes through the blood. What the Eebs were referring to is that they are not ethnic Mayans and thus not eligible to join the upper ranks of Red Court nobility, the Lords of Outer Night.
However, it has been strongly hinted that being in the Nevernever when the curse went off would have insulated them. So they could yet turn up. There are probably a relative handful of Red Court vamps left in the world who were in places the curse couldn't reach, but the Red Court as a power is gone.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on November 09, 2018, 12:22:25 AM ---They are also clearly described as "not being of the blood". I always interpreted that as not sharing the bloodline of the Red King. The bloodline curse was not described as a curse that killed all red court vampires. It was a curse that killed all blood relations of Susan -- the brand new red court vamp. That ended up killing a lot of red court vamps because they were related by blood to Susan. If there are Red Court Vampires that do not share a blood link with Susan, then they would not have been harmed by the curse.
That implies pretty strongly that the Ebs were NOT killed by the bloodline curse, although spending a few centuries being tortured by goblins is nto what I would call an "upside".
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It's important to remember that unlike the Blacks, very few of the Red Court could actually Breed and create more Rampires.
Susan's 'family line' (for lack of a better term) goes Susan->Bianca->Ortega->Ariana->Red King- and the Curse goes sideways as well as up.
End result? There are few, if any Ramps that are further down the Family Tree then the 5th Generation (because only the tippity top can make more), and possibly none at all that aren't from the line of the Red King.
So even if we assume it goes along the 'bloodline', it would still hit 99% of the Rampire population, because they decided to work a Pyramid scheme.
dspringer1:
All the Red Court are blood relations in that the vampire curse comes through the blood. What the Eebs were referring to is that they are not ethnic Mayans and thus not eligible to join the upper ranks of Red Court nobility, the Lords of Outer Night.
I agree that the vampire curse travels through the blood. But that does not mean that all red court vampires are descended from the Red King. Perhaps there were more than one progenitor. Or perhaps there was once a single progenitor, but it was not the Red King. The bloodline curse has a very specific method of identifying blood links. It is children, siblings or parents of anyone targeted. If my parents are dead, it does not sound like it would jump automatically to grandparents. There are logical possibilities that would leave some red court vamps as not viable targets.
All I am saying is that the author made a bid deal of saying the Ebs were "Not of the Blood". The author does not put such details into a story unless it has a purpose. The only purpose that is obvious to me is that "not of the blood" means not subject to the bloodline curse.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on November 09, 2018, 04:49:53 PM ---It is children, siblings or parents of anyone targeted. If my parents are dead, it does not sound like it would jump automatically to grandparents.
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It did jump Bianca, Ortega, and Ariana to get the Red King.
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