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Harry's lack of research
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on November 09, 2018, 12:18:46 AM ---Here is a thought about all those magical questions: Starborn, Soulfire, Specific Outsiders, Black Council, Nature of Mantels/Queens,
His new spirit of Intellect - Bonnie I think - has a very large set of information copied from a fallen angel. Information that clearly pre-dates creation itself. And she is likely to be perfectly willing to answer.
Unless of course some of those rules that limit immortals or angels also apply to this new spirit of intellect -- or if those rules simply kept that information from the spirit in the first place. After all, Lash's spirit was in Harry's brain. On some level that might mean accessible to a mortal. I suspect there are rules limiting that.
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It will be interesting to see how it's played in the books. It's an open question on what Uriel might allow Bonea speak about, or what Harry could understand if she did.
Lara loves Thomas, but that doesn't mean she trusts him. She bugs his communications.
Bad Alias:
The problem with Bonea is that she has no understanding of the knowledge she has. She probably won't realize what's important, related, or relevant most of the time.
Like most children, getting her to help out on various things will be more about teaching her than getting any actual help from her.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on November 09, 2018, 04:45:52 AM ---The problem with Bonea is that she has no understanding of the knowledge she has. She probably won't realize what's important, related, or relevant most of the time.
Like most children, getting her to help out on various things will be more about teaching her than getting any actual help from her.
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The best way of getting information out of Bonea is actually teaching her.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on November 05, 2018, 07:14:35 PM ---Nearly everyone who has told Harry anything about either the Starborn business in general or his mother specifically has either been:
A. Evil and trying to turn him to their side;
B. Evil and trying to kill him; or
C. One of the above and now dead.
Suffice to say, Harry doesn't have a lot of resources he can go to for information about either of those -- not without incurring a huge cost for that knowledge, anyway.
I also agree that he's probably in a lot of denial, about his mother specifically -- like any child, he wants to believe his mother was Good and Right (hence him defending her when Luccio speaks of her) and, as above, three of the people who've said the most about to him about his mother are a literal demon from Hell, the man who murdered her, and the man who started the Black Plague as a second honeymoon. Of the rest, two of them have stated that the White Council had a kill order out on her as a Warlock.
The only person who seemed just simply friendly with her and was not evil was the Gatekeeper, and getting information out of him is ... tricky.
So yeah -- Harry has every reason to fear that any further information he gets about his mother will paint her badly, so he's probably reluctant to seek it out.
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Good post with very solid points, but you're missing something. (Read below)
--- Quote from: Mira on November 07, 2018, 12:55:45 PM --- Knowledge was also deliberately kept from him. His mother died when he was born, his father, when he was six, instead of stepping forward and claiming him, his maternal grandfather let him be dumped in an orphanage for the next four years with no clue of anything except vague memories of his loving father in the old station wagon they traveled the country in. When he was adopted by Justin he had no reason to believe he had any living family. What little he knew of his mother is what he was told by his adoptive father, whom he loved and trusted until he was sixteen. Then the crap hit the fan, his fae god mother didn't or couldn't tell him the truth... When he was saved at the trial by Eb, he basically learned nothing about his mother other than she was a killer rebel who was under sentence of death. Eb then took him in for the next three years, never even hinting that he was really his grandfather... Later in Blood Rite when a wounded Harry confronts him about a lot of things, Eb still couldn't or wouldn't tell him the whole truth about who he was or his mother..
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I liked your whole post, but I want to point something out. Eb didn't tell Harry very much about his father either. In Blood Rites Eb finally confirmed what Chauncey had told Harry in book 2 about his mother's death, but not about his father death. He only said something about his father having "as good a soul as I have ever gazed." (I'll have to look up the exact quote, I know my wording isn't 100% correct.) Anyway, this implied Ebenezer shared a soul gaze with Malcolm Dresden but little else.
Ebenezer is the one person Harry can talk to; when the opportunity arises, without incurring a debt. I could buy that Harry was so inflamed when he heard that Lord Raith murdered his mother that he couldn't think straight. However, I think the time is past due for Harry to want to probe Eb for more information about his father. Harry really hasn't had many opportunities to do this in the past. I'm hoping there will be an opportunity for that to happen in Peace Talks.
peregrine:
Your wording on Eb and Malcolm is off in a very important way. It's either as good a soul as he'd ever seen or known. But not Seen. Definitely not gazed. It does not suggest that Eb and Malcolm soulgazed each other.
You're not wrong in that it doesn't provide much other information, so Eb might not have known a ton about Malcolm, but enough to know he's a good person.
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