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Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: peregrine on October 31, 2018, 02:32:05 AM ---Just because Art could replenish the soul (and I'm not sure that it can, without another soul there to interact with) doesn't mean it requires a soul to be done.  Hugging replenishes the soul, you want to try to argue that a fae can't hug someone?  Maybe not Mab, but Summer almost certainly can, with all the comfort and empathy of a regular human.

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Now I kind of want to see Mab try to hug someone, for how hilariously awkward and stilted it probably is.

morriswalters:
WOJ has talked about this.  He says Mab might still have some part of her soul, Molly almost certainly does.  But his use of the concept of soul and  free will are twisted.  Which makes it difficult to evaluate the behavior of the Queens and the Ladies.  Mab feels anger because Maeve is corrupted, which implies that she shares feelings about her children similar to Harry. As does Titania, shown by her anger when talking to Harry after the events of Summer Knight.  Titania tells Harry that Elder Gruff has convinced her that Harry should be forgiven.  They aren't immutable.  They feel grief and can make complex moral judgements.  This would imply to me that they have some free will left.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: forumghost on October 31, 2018, 12:25:55 AM ---I am aware. Not having FREE Will =/= not having Will at all. Mab for example can still make plans and decisions within her purview, but she lacks free will because there are times and places where she literally cannot take certain options.

The most obvious example is Killing. Mab can't kill someone unless they leave themselves open to her by involvement with the Courts. (Which is why she has a Knight to do it via loopholes)

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If she wants to do something but she can not do something she still has the will to do it. As long as the mantle is seen as something different from herself it blocking her actions is outside interference not fundamentally different from someone else stopping you.

That can of course also be your own nature that is not aligned with the mantle yet.

If we see your nature as a set of instincts that generate emotions and is closely linked or identical to your power and life force the mantle is a more powerful set of instincts. It takes a lot of will to (want to) handle against those instincts and you need your soul to do so.

But the mantel stopping you to do or say certain things is actually not a sign you lost free will and it might be a sign that you still have it. When you have lost your free will completely it does not even occur to you to choose an option against your nature. You don’t see that option.

Mira:


  My point is being human or not...  Humans have free will, knights are still human and have free will to make choices, the fae not so much..

Avernite:
I guess there's also a once-removed option.

Perhaps Molly-the-Lady has no Free Will, but Molly-the-Soul still has the Choice to ditch the lady mantle (and from there get all her human will back). Her discussion about the necessity of the Lady would then be a significant in that it is her choosing the Lady and all its restraints.

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