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Balancing a Wizard/White Court Virgin PC

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Wolfeyes:

--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on September 29, 2018, 07:28:56 AM ---I don't know much about DFA, but...White Court Virgin lets you take a Pure Mortal mantle in addition to itself. So you probably want to cut down the Magical Practitioner mantle until it's roughly equivalent to a Pure Mortal mantle. Maybe removing the ability to exhaust yourself for a power bonus would work?

A White Court Virgin already has one way to exhaust themself for a power boost. A second feels a little redundant.

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That making it the equivalent to a Pure Mortal Mantle sounds like a good way of putting it, thanks! We  decided to take out the Burnt Out condition for that reason, so will see how it feels once we do more sessions with encounters.


--- Quote from: g33k on September 29, 2018, 11:24:15 PM ---It seems VERY much to me that -- as canonical Dresdenverse powersets go -- Wizardry & WhampVirgin are diametrically opposed.  Wizards use focus & discipline to bring their gift to greatest fruition, but a WhampVirgin is LOSING focus and discipline as they give into the Whamp urges.
So I won't almost never allow bonii to stack.

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When put that way, I might suggest that to the player to keep in mind, especially for play and leveling up. Since, the largest appeal of the combo narratively is the branching potential so if they ended up giving into their Whamp urges I'd imagine their wizard abilities might drop off and vice versa (especially if they somehow get the conditions to remove Whamp Virgin mantle).

g33k:

--- Quote from: Wolfeyes on September 30, 2018, 06:29:58 AM ---  When put that way, I might suggest that to the player to keep in mind, especially for play and leveling up. Since, the largest appeal of the combo narratively is the branching potential so if they ended up giving into their Whamp urges I'd imagine their wizard abilities might drop off and vice versa (especially if they somehow get the conditions to remove Whamp Virgin mantle).
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I think a full-on (non-Virgin) Whamp has similar benefits from concentration as a wizard gets.  Papa Raith, Lara, Thomas -- the ones who are dangerous even among Whampires -- show that they have a LOT of discipline, focus, self-control.  Whamp-Virgins notsomuch with the self-control !!!

I would expect that trying to "level up" both at once would be very VERY hard.  I could see a Whamp Virgin with the Salic Gift getting some training as a Wizard 'prentice young (and carefully without any MOTAS' around!!!!), then laying magic aside while they roil around in Whamp-V Puberty, maybe?  Then taking up wizardry again once the Demonic Hormones settle down a bit ... Maybe?

It appears that Whamps CAN use some magic... q.v. Vittorio in White Night (granted, most of the Big Deal stuff was likely done by Cowl or the Outsider, and when the duel went down, he was straight-up WCVamp combat powers of speed & strength)... Thomas can work Harry's tracking-spell.

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