The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The Death of Margaret Le Fay
groinkick:
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 28, 2018, 02:17:33 AM ---Elaine: Mindraped into servitude by her Adopted Father.
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Nothing to do with Harry, he just happened to be there... That's like saying the brother of a girl being assaulted by her father is somehow responsible.
--- Quote ---Susan: Infected by the Red Court and then used as a living Sacrifice.
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Yes he was indirectly responsible because she was associated with him.
--- Quote ---Luccio: Entire relationship was a lie caused by severe mental manipulation.
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Was it a lie? I got the impression they realized they had been influenced at the beginning but not that it was a lie. I thought that the feelings were genuine but Luccio realized that she had more important things to do on the Council which her being involved with Harry was a distraction from her duty. Perhaps I'm remembering wrong...
I'd say it's more like one relationship ended badly because of who Harry is, with Susan. Elaine and Harry's ended because of Justin and because Harry thought her dead. Luccio's was more like two people infatuated with each other and realizing they had more important things to do, not a horrible way to end things considering they are on friendly terms.
peregrine:
Keeping in mind of course that this is not the real world, but a series of books. So yeah, ultimately everything bad that happens to Harry's love interests is because they're Harry's love interest.
As for Luccio, my take was that while there might have been some genuine affection there, Peabody's work kept her at it. It was definitely not what Harry thought it was when he realized he had lost his protection against White Court vampires from Susan, that his feelings were not reciprocated.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: peregrine on September 28, 2018, 08:40:48 PM ---Ok. So use the word special instead of magical. Murphy and Carmichael are still active and doing stuff on the other side of the veil. Were they "special" in any way before they died and were recruited?
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We'll both know when JB tells us. As a working hypothesis, yes, in the same sense that a man who volunteers for combat is special or the guy who wades into a raging river to save someone is. Look at the context.
--- Quote ---They completely undermine the message of how just being a good person can make a difference, because it's not enough to be Good, you have to be Special.
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Truly good people are always special. There aren't many of them. Not in books and not in real life. Jim has written a few.
peregrine:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 29, 2018, 01:48:50 AM ---We'll both know when JB tells us. As a working hypothesis, yes, in the same sense that a man who volunteers for combat is special or the guy who wades into a raging river to save someone is. Look at the context.
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The context of this conversations seems to be that Malcolm was in some way more than just human. Not simply special because he's a good person, but that he was a "Wizard/Scion/KotC" since that was what he said to start.
morriswalters:
I originally suggested, that he was a halfling that chose humanity. And that hypothesis was what I supposed forumghost was referring to.
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