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Who are the members of the Grey Council?

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morriswalters:
Assuming that Langtry was honest in his desire to exterminate the Reds, it may have been simply an indication that he was through playing defense and was going to go on the offensive.  He would have needed a clear betrayal of the peace process to bring the Council to a state of total war.  In at least a few ways this follows the outlines of the US entry into WW2. Roosevelt wanted war, but needed a casus belli in terms of an event like Pearl Harbor. And the illness released on the Council by Ariana could have been it.

Wizard Sibelis:

--- Quote from: peregrine on September 17, 2018, 09:07:37 PM ---Then why did he flat out tell Harry not to do it, vs... nothing at all, since that's what Harry was going to do anyways?  Was Harry going to try super hard to kill them just because Merlin said not to, and only slightly hard otherwise?

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Plausible deniability. The ability to forswear upon thy power to the effect of,

raidem:
Eb didn't know exactly what the plan was for the Grey Council in fighting the Reds. The Grey Council had a different mission in mind before Harry informed Eb that it was Harry's daughter they were sacrificing.  I highly doubt Merlin knew that the Grey Council would follow Harry to CI. I favor the idea that there were multiple plans to defeat the Reds, root and branch and some of these plans failed.  Harry succeeded.


This follows the Merlin's multi-tiered strategy of approaching problems.

This all said, the Merlin has access to lots more information than Eb does, I'd say.  I still think the battle of CI was one in which both sides had ample foresight to go toe to toe against each other, and it became a slug fest. Obviously, Vadderung had the edge.  We just don't know how much advantage he gave the winning side in that.  It is said per WOJ that

Kindler:
Merlin's "root and branch" declaration to Harry included some references to preparing for the largest counteroffensive they had ever attempted. My take on it was that Merlin was waiting for the Reds to take their swing, and be ready for it. Once they had committed enough resources to it (like, for example, gathering a huge chunk of the Red Court's nobility all in one place at Chichen Itza), they'd foil the attack, then counter with everything they had. I assume it was a military operation.

That got shut down when half the Wardens were out of commission. They were expecting an attack, not an infiltration (seems odd after Peabody not to be hypervigilant when it comes to sabotage, which is what the illness felt like). Then Cristos took further advantage of the chaos (which I presume he created) and locked up most of the younger wardens.

Half a day later, the Red Court was dead, so... problem solved. Now just to deal with those mythological rejects suddenly and coincidentally crawling up out of the sea...


--- Quote from: phi1601 on September 17, 2018, 06:36:17 PM ---An interesting one is Montjoy. He was mentioned in Summer Knight as one of the candidates for Senior Council nominations but was unavailable because he was "on a research trip in the Yucatán," according to Martha Liberty.

The reason I find this interesting is because:
1. He's strong (or old) enough to be considered for a senior council position. So he potentially has the power level for Grey Council.
2. Martha Liberty was the one who knew where he was. She's an ally of Eb so I'd say that puts Montjoy in the Eb/Martha/Indunjoe faction.
3. He was in the Yucatan. Know what else is in Yucatan? Chichen Itza. Sounds like he was doing some research into the red court.

If he is in the Grey council, I don't know that being named in passing a single time in the series is enough to be considered by Jim in the list of 6 that we "already know".

So he might be one of 4 we haven't met instead.

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I've been chewing on the audiobooks this time around during my commute, and I picked up on that for the first time as I listened to Summer Knight. I peg him as either Grey Council or one of the traitors who had given away Archangel—he was either spying or informing (I think, anyway).

raidem:
Yeah.  I caught the Montjoy Yucatan, Chichen Itza connection before.  I didn't know all of what to make of it.  But I think it likely he was scouting out the Reds.

I didn't think much to include him in the Grey Council but now that you mention it, it sounds very reasonable.  That said, I sorta wondered what Peabody or whoever did with that tidbit of knowledge that Montjoy was scouting out the Reds.  I, paranoid me, was thinking that someone would conspire against him, or try to turn him.  Who knows though.


It could be that when Martha Liberty gave that information, Nemesis, Peabody, Black Council, Reds or whoever acted against him in some way to turn him.

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