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morriswalters:

--- Quote from: kbrizzle on August 07, 2018, 02:06:21 PM --- By Ghost Story, she & Marcone are the 2 most powerful people in Chicago.
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Well, yeah.  To start with she was smarter than her daddy, which is why she is where she is and why he is currently a sock puppet.  To continue, Harry took himself off the board.  Short sighted on his part if I do say so.  Makes you want to scream, WHAT WAS HE THINKING?

Whamps, I love it. ;D

Mira:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 07, 2018, 05:30:54 PM ---Well, yeah.  To start with she was smarter than her daddy, which is why she is where she is and why he is currently a sock puppet.  To continue, Harry took himself off the board.  Short sighted on his part if I do say so.  Makes you want to scream, WHAT WAS HE THINKING?

Whamps, I love it. ;D

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  But she would still be his sock puppet if Harry hadn't told her about what his mother's death curse did to her daddy..

morriswalters:
Yep.  But daddy thought he couldn't lose.  He chose poorly.  She took a risk and won big.  A very Darwinian form of intelligence.  It's a shame she's a vampire.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 07, 2018, 02:27:16 PM ---I don't as far as the demon goes, but killing Madeline would go a long way of making her more powerful in the minds of the rest of the clan.

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Making a truly disturbing example of a traitor is a power move in a group that's really, really old-school, yes.

vultur:

--- Quote from: kbrizzle on August 07, 2018, 02:06:21 PM ---Do you think eating Madeline, demon & all, made Lara more powerful? It seems to me like she significantly upped her game after TC.
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I think that's a combination of Lara learning from Lord Raith's library, and the more fluid supernatural political situation after the fall of the Red Court, rather than an increase in Lara's personal supernatural power.

https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,21772.msg2238125.html#msg2238125

--- Quote ---Will we find out about Lord Raith's library?
There's kind of a long game going on in the Dresden Files, and Lord Raith has been involved in it in the last couple of cycle's it's gone on.  He's been trying to educate himself about it, and he meant to be a player in it this time it came around, but getting involved with Margret kind of screwed him over.
Lara's got his library now and knows everything he knows, which explains a lot of her actions.
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--- Quote ---My WAG was that Lord Raith seems to be more powerful than was normal even for powerful White Court vamps, which is how he got to be White King. I do not believe he an elder of the Court in a manner such as the LOoNs.

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Well, I don't know whether his age gives him extra supernatural power - we don't know enough about the White Court's origin or the nature of Hunger demons.

But I think there's a decent argument to be made that Lord Raith is "an elder of the Court" in the sense of being one of the oldest Whampires alive. Given that Lord Raith is by WoJ "a couple thousand years old" and the White Court's internal language is Etruscan (which was around from the 1st millennium BC up to the first century or so AD), he's probably been around for at least 2/3 of the Court's existence, and possibly since the very beginning.

I don't think he could be the very first Whampire himself, or Malvora and Skavis wouldn't be as politically powerful as they are before the events of WN. But I actually wouldn't be surprised if he's the first Raith / second-generation White Court (with the major houses being founded by the children of the first Whampire).

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