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Will the Big Moment Come in Peace Talks?
Ananda:
--- Quote from: Carl on August 05, 2018, 02:37:21 AM ---Interesting thought on this, where do all the members of the fellowship who died of old age after Harry took out the red court sit. The council obviously isn't concerned but JB's been clear in some WoJ's that what the council's laws are and what the universe level laws are on black magic don't allways line up.
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And how about the Grey Council members who were mortal wizards who killed the gunmen and so with magic at that fight?
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Ananda on August 05, 2018, 03:00:23 AM ---And how about the Grey Council members who were mortal wizards who killed the gunmen and so with magic at that fight?
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The only one we know of is Eb who has a specific exemption from the Laws.
Ananda:
--- Quote from: Arjan on August 04, 2018, 08:10:39 AM ---The salary is important. When you get a salary from someone you acquire obligations with it. Harry is a warden as long as they pay his salary and he accepts it.
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Part 2 response because F this heatwave in Europe! I can’t sleep!
I was thinking about your reply in concert with Rashid’s conversation with Dresden. Upon reading that bit in the book, I had just assumed Rashid was being kind. But, now, with what you said about obligation due to the monies, I find I’m rethinking the just being kind assessment. Was Rashid purposely bringing Dresden into obligation?
If so, I wonder what his various motives were? Some could be as a measure of protection to keep Dresden from becoming “other” to the council. Others could be less altruistic. Now you say this, though, it seems very calculated to re-obligate Dresden to me.
Mira:
--- Quote ---As for the deaths at Biancas, I imagine that it's chalked up to them not knowing who, if anyone, actually was killed by the fire vs already dead. Though given the grudge some folks held against him, you'd think they'd try a bit harder to look into it.
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Harry did feel guilt that he actions might have killed some of those at the party.. However it was Michael I believe that said, 1] as you say no way of knowing who may have died from Harry's fire rant since most were dead or about to die in any case.. 2] It was never Harry intent to kill the young people at the party, if any died by fire it was indirect consequences not as actual targets of Harry's spell. Which brings up the question, yes, killing with magic breaks the First Law... But one does that go for those who happen to die because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and not the target of the actual spell?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Ananda on August 05, 2018, 03:37:42 AM ---Part 2 response because F this heatwave in Europe! I can’t sleep!
I was thinking about your reply in concert with Rashid’s conversation with Dresden. Upon reading that bit in the book, I had just assumed Rashid was being kind. But, now, with what you said about obligation due to the monies, I find I’m rethinking the just being kind assessment. Was Rashid purposely bringing Dresden into obligation?
If so, I wonder what his various motives were? Some could be as a measure of protection to keep Dresden from becoming “other” to the council. Others could be less altruistic. Now you say this, though, it seems very calculated to re-obligate Dresden to me.
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That is the Sidhe way of looking at things. And as always that is both true and uncomfortable and not how humans would look at the same facts.
The gatekeeper is simply saying: what you do for winter is important and not in conflict with your position in the white council. You are still one of us. Jus like me.
And heatwave yes. I could not sleep the night before but this night I was so tired that I just passed out.
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