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Zoo Day and the great Masquerade
Mr. Death:
I'd venture a guess that Ivy probably has no personal experience with such haunts. The reason the haunts target children is that they're weaker than adults, and Ivy, even as a child, would have been one of the most powerful mortal beings on the planet.
I'd expect any haunt that got within a hundred yards of her would turn and run the other way.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 27, 2018, 06:40:38 PM ---I'd venture a guess that Ivy probably has no personal experience with such haunts. The reason the haunts target children is that they're weaker than adults, and Ivy, even as a child, would have been one of the most powerful mortal beings on the planet.
I'd expect any haunt that got within a hundred yards of her would turn and run the other way.
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Haunts do target adults according to Maggie. She even thought her dad could be attacked, and not know what was happening to him. That said I think it goes to show that she, like Harry isn't always right. Harry knows about them, and she doesn't know it. Harry can probably defend himself as well because he can sense magic. Ivy would melt their faces.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 27, 2018, 05:56:34 AM ---Maybe, but that bugs me. Intellectus is supposed to be more absolute than that, I think. Even if Harry's limited version isn't, I mean... how far does the effect extend? If a non-human being with full Intellectus tells an adult human about them, does the human just instantly forget about it?
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Probably would forget, unless they had some other way to /make/ the memory stick. And Id assume harry could still spot one with his Sight if he actually knew what he was looking for, though a lot of the time he actively ignores most of what his Sight shows him in basic self-defense. Alfred's Intellects has always been the most limited example of it from day one, and is particularly focused on his Inmates, which I think is a lot of why he was never very practiced at recognizing mortals. But if one of the Creepers were to get locked up in the Well I think he'd start taking notice a lot more. Though its a good point that Creepers have very little reason to venture out to an island with no children to target; they strike me as more a zoo and candy store crowd.
--- Quote ---Angels have full intellectus. What happens if Nicodemus asks Anduriel, "what supernatural entities are within one mile of me"?
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Personally Id dial down the radius just to avoid getting overloaded :P But I see your point, anyone else Id say he may simply not be /allowed/ to reveal that aspect of Reality, it seems specifically reserved for Children. But he's already breaking the rules, so may he has told him, maybe he's aware that they exist even ifhe cannot sense them directly or retain personal memories of them. Or maybe a Fallen bonded as long and tightly as those two can just provide/overlay the sensory capability like how Lash let harry ultrasound see in the Dark.
--- Quote ---EDIT: Even worse... what if a kid writes about the haunts and Ivy picks up the information? When Ivy hits whatever age makes you forget about the haunts, does the information get deleted from the Archive, or reclassified from "nonfiction" to "fiction", or what?
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ooh, that's dark... She's likely a special enough case that can just KNOW that sort of thing, retain it without risk of revealing it and damaging whatever Cosmic Machinery is in motion. Like a Fallen, if anything could keep you from Forgetting it would be (cue ominous voice) THE ARCHIVE...
Mr. Death:
I think you guys are overselling the "adults don't know" thing.
I really don't think it's that adults are incapable of retaining information on them. Just that they can't normally perceive them, so they forget or rationalize away what happened to them as kids when they grow up.
That happens with totally mundane things. There were games you made up with your friends and played as a three year old that, in the moment, you knew forward and backward, but a few years later you don't remember it even happened.
Again, Harry was well aware of the bogeyman, even though that's the same kind of thing as the haunts and the creepers.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 28, 2018, 04:07:07 PM ---I think you guys are overselling the "adults don't know" thing.
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Again, Harry was well aware of the bogeyman, even though that's the same kind of thing as the haunts and the creepers.
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Agreed. The Carpenter kids' book of compiled information is accurate enough to be very helpful for basic self-defense against child-feeding monsters, but not necessarily 100% accurate on matters like assuming because most adults forget about them, a Council wizard wouldn't be able to understand the threat is real even if it's mostly on a different wavelength.
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