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Mab thought she was doing the right thing
forumghost:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on July 21, 2018, 09:46:42 PM ---Or the point was to remove Aurora and replace her with a less experienced Summer Lady. The question is what was the goal? To have a war between the Queens or to destroy the well? If Mab can plan for multiple paths to success, then one might assume that Nemesis could do so as well. So a failure in one leads to the other.
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I mean, I'm sure that there were multiple goals but...
If we assume that Maeve was already Nemesis'd then that means that, by having her simply not intervene to save Harry:
1) Aurora Succeeds in throwing all reality into Chaos
2) Titania (who hadn't cottoned on yet) fulfills her duty and drags Mab into hell, probably dying in the process.
3) Aurora and Maeve (who are both supposedly Nemesis'd) become The Queens.
4) Outsiders win for all time.
So either Nemesis gave up a Guaranteed win now for a 'maybe' win later, or maybe... Maeve wasn't gotten to yet?
--- Quote from: raidem on July 21, 2018, 10:41:01 PM ---Well I think the problem might be that Mab placed a Nemesis infected agent within Winter's Wellspring. It is true that it helped cure Lea but it may also be true that it left a taint that might end up coming back to bite her.
I think it is something that can work both ways though. If Nemesis could somehow taint and get an advantage via Wellspring, there may be a back door way back to it via the Wellspring too.
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That's possible I suppose, but Jim has noted that there are upper limits to what Nemesis can mess with (No Angels for example).
So fucking with the wellspring may be beyond it.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: forumghost on July 21, 2018, 10:50:30 PM ---I mean, I'm sure that there were multiple goals but...
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One goal, multiple paths. And in the Dresdenverse there are no guaranteed wins. Not for Mab or Nemesis. Or Harry. However you are probably right.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The right thing to do may have been to destroy Leah..... There may not be an actual cure, only a way to slow it down, or stop it for a little while.
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Let's not forget that Mab also encased herself in ice, precaution against the infection or did she feel symptoms herself at the time.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 22, 2018, 01:23:43 AM ---Let's not forget that Mab also encased herself in ice, precaution against the infection or did she feel symptoms herself at the time.
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Was she in ice? I thought she was pretending to be a statue. Perhaps she did become Nemfected? I don't know. Jim said Nemesis isn't all powerful, Mab may be too powerful for It to control her.
vultur:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 21, 2018, 02:37:12 AM ---Well wasn't Maeve already infected when Leah was at Arctis Tor?
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She must have been, because PG is when Maeve talks about Mab being crazy... in CD Harry and Fix talk about that as an example of Maeve lying.
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 22, 2018, 04:31:02 AM ---Was she in ice? I thought she was pretending to be a statue. Perhaps she did become Nemfected? I don't know. Jim said Nemesis isn't all powerful, Mab may be too powerful for It to control her.
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Whether Mab could be infected or not, I'm certain she wasn't, for at least two reasons:
- if she was, reality would be either destroyed or much more Outsider-ridden than it is
- if she was infected at the time of PG specifically, she wouldn't have been trying to cure Lea of Nemesis
It seems like Mab really should be "infect-able", as I'm not sure the power gap between Lea and Mab is that large, but OTOH if she is "infect-able", why did Lea mess with Maeve rather than going straight to Mab?
And Mab has the athame in DB. So maybe she really isn't vulnerable... who knows.
Maybe Mab is more powerful than I'm imagining... there is a WoJ that Mab vs the Erlking wouldn't even be much of a fight, but that the Erlking "could probably hand Molly her head" (IE - stronger than one of the Faerie Ladies). I tend to imagine Lea as closer to Mab than the Winter Lady in power, but could she win a fight vs the Erlking? Quite possibly not...
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