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Is Lea stronger than the Winter Lady?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Carl on July 21, 2018, 10:39:51 AM ---Might wanna go back and rad the last couple of chapters of Small Favour again. Bob specifically talks about how lost bits grow back when talking to Harry about soulfire usage.
From the WoJ losing your soul is a whole other different level of evil than normal evil. Normal evil is people like Marcone or Hendriks. Losing your soul evil is probably Kemmelar up.
Sort of the difference between a normal serial killer and Adolf Hitler.
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So Grevane goes to hell and is tortured for eternity and Kemmler just loses his soul and that is it? Seems the lesson for Grevane is simple, he should have been more evil. Of course that is exactly what he tried to do.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 21, 2018, 10:49:39 AM ---So Grevane goes to hell and is tortured for eternity and Kemmler just loses his soul and that is it? Seems the lesson for Grevane is simple, he should have been more evil. Of course that is exactly what he tried to do.
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What makes you think that A. Grevane has a soul? If the evidence is a soulgaze I don't think that counts because a soulgaze may just be accurate in a figurative way but not in a literal sense. And B. How do you know there wasn't a tiny piece of soul that remained that was able to earn him redemption, and he didn't end up in hell? And C. how do we know what hell is like in the Dresdenverse?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 21, 2018, 05:38:30 PM ---What makes you think that A. Grevane has a soul? If the evidence is a soulgaze I don't think that counts because a soulgaze may just be accurate in a figurative way but not in a literal sense.
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A soulgaze is one thing but we also have Uriel's satisfaction when Corpstaker takes the southbound train. Why would that be satisfying if Corpstaker had no soul and it did not go to hell?
--- Quote ---And B. How do you know there wasn't a tiny piece of soul that remained that was able to earn him redemption, and he didn't end up in hell?
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Because when you are dead free will and chances for redemption are over. According to Heaven's most cited spokesman.
--- Quote ---And C. how do we know what hell is like in the Dresdenverse?
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It must be bad because Chauncy is there and we are happy because Harry's mother escaped him.
And Hell's Bells there is a rich mythology about it and in the dresdenverse all mythology is true unless specifically denied.
The devil is a real person and we have seen the fallen. You don't want to spend time with them let alone all the time there is.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 21, 2018, 06:34:10 PM ---A soulgaze is one thing but we also have Uriel's satisfaction when Corpstaker takes the southbound train. Why would that be satisfying if Corpstaker had no soul and it did not go to hell?Because when you are dead free will and chances for redemption are over. According to Heaven's most cited spokesman.It must be bad because Chauncy is there and we are happy because Harry's mother escaped him.
And Hell's Bells there is a rich mythology about it and in the dresdenverse all mythology is true unless specifically denied.
The devil is a real person and we have seen the fallen. You don't want to spend time with them let alone all the time there is.
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Well then what we have is something inconsistent, or very complex system from Jim. His statements about losing your soul vs suffering eternal punishment don't jive. Not existing sounds preferable to eternal punishment, and being more evil getting a lighter sentence doesn't seem right.
Losing your soul may mean automatic hell maybe? That doesn't sound right either though for someone like Molly. Again either an inconsistent idea, or something more complex. Would be a great thing if someone could lay it out like this for Jim and get a less confusing response.
Wizard Sibelis:
Mmmm, *insert metatheory here*
I think that people whom go to hell/heaven are specifically people who buy into that system, even on a negative affirmation of knowing your probably going to hell. But judgement by someone is inevitable. An it's likely all affirmative judges within reality, like Hades, Mab, St Peter(if i'm recalling correctly the heavenly doorman) are all sustitutes for the cosmic inside vs outside judge, 'the adversary'. I think it's fate to go through your own personal gateway(as seen in Thomas) to be judged in a mirror of your life. It's why I believe the angel of death in GS to be Susan, covered in the tattoo's ink blotch that defined her fight to keep herself for so long.
In this way ll inside judges and afterlifes are meant simply to keep balance vs nonexistence/outside. It's why they exist in the NN, a technical part of reality.
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