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In Hindsight, These Story Choices Were a Mistake
Arjan:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 15, 2018, 01:10:56 PM ---I'd like to see a source for the idea that Justin only became a warden like Harry did, as part of a crisis. He took out Kemmler, sure. But nothing I remember reading suggests that was his first time at the rodeo. And if he was crooked long before then, becoming a warden would be a great advantage to him in terms of authority and access.
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There is not enough information. We are talking possible scenario's here.
Justin could have been crooked all the time but a position as a warden might actually be a perfect position to get crooked. Or if he was crooked a crisis like this might have been the perfect time to join the wardens with lower standards and less oversight.
Or he was more or less forced but even that would go into the books as volunteered, just like Harry.
The point is that we do not have to expect high standards from the average warden during a crisis, just normal wizard standards. Justin did probably resign after Kemmler's death to do research which suggests his heart was not really into it anyway.
Mira:
--- Quote ---There is not enough information. We are talking possible scenario's here.
Justin could have been crooked all the time but a position as a warden might actually be a perfect position to get crooked. Or if he was crooked a crisis like this might have been the perfect time to join the wardens with lower standards and less oversight.
Or he was more or less forced but even that would go into the books as volunteered, just like Harry.
The point is that we do not have to expect high standards from the average warden during a crisis, just normal wizard standards. Justin did probably resign after Kemmler's death to do research which suggests his heart was not really into it anyway.
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Yes, consider, once a wizard was established on the White Council, then if he or she applies for or is asked to be a warden, unless he or she did something overt, who'd know? Most experienced wizards know how to avoid soul gazes, Harry talks of avoiding any accidental ones after the first two or three books. A really skilled wizard can even hide a lot of facts about his or herself, Harry had no clue about who Eb really was though they did soul gaze when they met. That is why he was so shocked when he found out that Eb was the Council's assassin... Wizards are not allowed to otherwise go into each other's minds, that would be breaking one of the Laws... In the case of the wardens who do soul gazes for evidence, if it is a young would be warlock, he or she is going to get the chop most of the time anyway so it is doubtful even if they said they saw something they'd be believed..
So yeah, very easy for a wizard gone bad to bide his or her time in plain sight..
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 16, 2018, 11:21:17 AM ---A really skilled wizard can even hide a lot of facts about his or herself, Harry had no clue about who Eb really was though they did soul gaze when they met.
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He saw the real Eb. The Blackstaff protected him from dark magical staining that occurs in warlocks. Eb didn't hide who he really is, Harry saw the real man. I see Eb kind of like the Rambo character in the movies. Yes he's incredibly good at killing, but he takes absolutely no joy in it. He hates it. He does it because he thinks he has no choice, or is pushed so hard he needs to do it. Harry most likely saw a strong man who is dedicated to justice, a protector, and of great power, and who's suffered great pain. None of those tell you he's an assassin until you find out and then can connect the dots for justice, protection, power, and pain.
As for Justin. My guess would be that as an apprentice to a Senior Council member that he was let in without too much question. He was probably an ambitious man. When he discovered Bob, those ambitions grew because he had access to some of the most powerful magic known. The laws began to appear as obstacles that someone like himself shouldn't have to abide by.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 16, 2018, 05:55:08 PM ---As for Justin. My guess would be that as an apprentice to a Senior Council member that he was let in without too much question. He was probably an ambitious man. When he discovered Bob, those ambitions grew because he had access to some of the most powerful magic known. The laws began to appear as obstacles that someone like himself shouldn't have to abide by.
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Oh yeah, that's a good point and I forgot about it entirely.
Someone who's a direct apprentice to someone so high up would probably not be scrutinized too carefully most of the time.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 15, 2018, 04:35:57 AM ---Yes. Morgan probably would. Because he's a warden. I'm not arguing all the wizards would. Probably a lot of them wouldn't.
But a warden, tasked with doing things like shutting down what Kemmler wants to do, enforcing the laws (and will of the Council) probably would.
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I can see Carlos potentially keeping the skull and using Bob for good, if he came across it under the right circumstances. It wouldn't be the first time he took the position that the Senior Council were a bunch of overly conservative old fools (mutinying in Changes), and/or that what they didn't know (hunt for the 'Black Hats') wouldn't hurt them.
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